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so this isn't anything that just is

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limited to the united states it's a

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hi everyone and welcome back to that ufo

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podcast we've got a breakdown for you

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we're recording this on the 23rd of

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january recapping about the last week

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and a half's worth of news because there

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has been a few things happened and i did

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mean to record this last week but just

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stuff got in the way so dan i finally

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managed to drag you from your columbia

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prep on to record on the podcast again

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yeah it's going well i i'm almost

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prepared uh two weeks today as we're

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recording this i'll be on my way so uh

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it's getting very exciting

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and for uk listeners yourself and vinnie

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from disclosure team who you're flying

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brewdog in birmingham so uh if you go

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there vinnie will be there from 1pm uh

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if you can last that long uh drink

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drinking with vinnie then uh yeah i'll

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be around to say hey it'd be nice to see

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everyone's faces maybe thank some people

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if you uh if you were donated uh thank

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you again to everyone who did and um if

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you want to clear up a few details then

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february just in case anyone turns up at

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that i'm aware of so again if you're in

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alabama it is not happening out there

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stranger colder place yeah i can imagine

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hi to all the listeners in birmingham so

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dan just before we get into the news

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which there's a lot to get through um

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just to clear up one thing for listeners

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listening on spotify i had one of you

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get in touch with me recently to say

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you're still hearing adverts and

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sponsors uh clips

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on the premium service that's never

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really occurred to me that spotify have

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their own service called spotify premium

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where you pay um for additional devices

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all that kind of stuff if you're looking

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to listen to the podcast on spotify with

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no adverts early access bonus content

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and no sponsor stuff then you have to

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search on spotify that ufo podcast

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premium

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and you'll see a separate feed where i

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upload the podcast early like on apple

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premium or on patreon but you get all

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the good stuff as well without all the

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adverts and sponsors so if you want to

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support it's like 1.99 two dollars ish

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which was four pounds 70 each day for me

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this week so do you do listeners still

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get to hear your creative manscaped

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afford them separately but yes support

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the sponsors folks and thanks to those

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on board soon um so again it's always a

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on the free feeds as well so i'll say no

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let's just say that much but if you

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these weird currencies and it's like

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the cool news though dan there's been

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so-called dry period we're going through

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news that broke just today um as we

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was announced we were all really excited

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the project the the mainstream aspect

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having a name like avila webb and some

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of the benefactor benefactors i don't

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think the right word but investors and

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subject you ran through that on one of

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the breakdowns where you touched on here

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are some of the names and affiliates of

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of a hit with some people that came on

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board like seth shawstack and and one or

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two names like that where folks went ah

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naysayers or people with agendas of

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their own where they've not really been

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very open-minded

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into however i think when when lou

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it was a big win for them and it's the

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people you want involved and now to see

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countless others but then jacques vallee

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joining it it's it's fantastic and it's

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wonderful to see the energy jack has

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energy he has and the love and passion

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for this topic which is still very much

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there for all to see yeah jack has been

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decades now he has such a huge body of

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very respected work um and he brings

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seti where they were kind of open-minded

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enough to go okay we'll look for alien

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life but assumed the aliens would be

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using radio signals like we do you know

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considering what they're trying to do um

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to be looking for lasers um as

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communication signals um so they're

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kind of sees it as a fishing expedition

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for whatever they might find and if it

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if it happens that they find a strange

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fish then they'll deal with that when

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valets of the project his he has a

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hypothesis called the control system

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loop to coax our consciousness forward

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balance that they have on board now

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to have for whoever wants to drive it

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how it would be wonderful wonderful if

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all these different groups could

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collaborate and get together and you

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know uapx if they they could be involved

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with what they're trying to do and they

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leadership especially from some of the

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hughes unexplained where he's a regular

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telling them that they're not able to

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find water but they should keep looking

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the tool is fine he's just not looking

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one of these people involved are

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other right people including seth

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shawstak it would be great if if one day

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they can find something soon

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doing what i was doing or hedging their

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some of that within the next topic we're

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holding people accountable i think

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a big way whether it's through the

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galileo project nasa seti you know some

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some foreign government finds something

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you know a chinese rover whatever it

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colleagues in uap media we've had those

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conversations and some of those things

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where it's and it's fine to disagree

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people i've always had this that i don't

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necessarily agree with some of my own

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colleagues that there are people that

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should be held accountable and all this

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kind of stuff where

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there's going to come a time where we

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and looking back and blaming is maybe

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something that just has to get knocked

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on the head to use an old british phrase

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yeah absolutely we're gonna have to

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kind of convince people that we're all

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on the same side here and we've heard

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often in history through many different

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officials they they've wondered out loud

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places like the un uh how a force from

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outside of humanity could unite us in

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the same side i'd say you know we might

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have our differences but hey they make

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the world go round yeah if you've seen

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don't look up it's a little bit like

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when they're about to launch the mission

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to to stop the asteroid which i hope

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it's not a spoiler because i mean you

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can imagine where the movie goes but

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then someone with their own agenda comes

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in and stops that

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everyone else they come in and it's like

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next door muammur comes along and we go

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to chase it there's no one there saying

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wait stop let's just think about this no

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let's do it let's go discover let's go

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let's go make the most of this and

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a wonderful get get for them um so yep

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kudos to the galileo project and

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everyone involved um keep doing what

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you're doing and i'm sure 2022 will be a

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big year for them too and when there are

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some updates we'll get avi back on the

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podcast to talk about it

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next up dan uh luella zondo was on coast

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to coast with george knapp and less than

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a week ago as we record this it was a

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big conversation um kudos to to joel

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murgia i think for a lot of people who

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didn't have access couldn't get access

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or prefer just to read the highlights

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that joe morgier transcribed and i think

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broke twitter's own servers with the

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length of the transcription at one point

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um yeah that's fit to say he he does a

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great job he he transcribes a lot of

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different uh interviews conversations

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you know things like that so have a look

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at his account it's at ufo joe i think

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on twitter um well worth following

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i signed up to joe's patreon like again

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like i don't have a lot of money myself

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but for for me doing this podcast it's

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worth like a couple of pounds a couple

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of dollars to to thank someone like that

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and um i i use a lot of his

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transcription stuff from a load of

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interviews and it helps me pinpoint bits

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to go and listen to as well so yeah

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thank you thank you to john morgear for

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doing what he does um

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so yeah so lou was on coast to coast

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george knapp a good couple of hours

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interview which is fantastic i think

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lew's had a well-deserved break over the

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last can a couple of weeks and months

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and he will be back on the podcast

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sooner than later folks that uh listener

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questions follow-up is a something that

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we're still going to do

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in the very near future hopefully as

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well i i never mind these big gaps

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between shows like that because yeah so

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many people sent great questions in but

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stuff's happened since then so we can

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kind of come at things from different

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angles and you know people can send in

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different questions

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and as as you listen to this we've got

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john ramirez back on wednesday and it's

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a listener question show and i've got

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loads left over from the last one that

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we didn't get to just due to time

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constraints and already people are

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sending me more follow-ups and

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up-to-date questions so again if you

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want to send in a question before

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wednesday the 25th 26th uh wednesday

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26th of january please do so ufo uap am

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gmail.com for for john ramirez but i'm

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looking forward to putting some of those

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listener questions to john but yes

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anyway lou on coast to coast dan um

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what was going to start off

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can i just say i thought it was funny

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that george's first question was asking

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lou about how he felt walking onto the

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stage with the ttsa press conference

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because that's exactly where we left off

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in the uh the profile we did with uh tom

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delong um thank you for all the feedback

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to everyone that's given it and we'll

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get more listener questions so send

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those in and we'll address those in in

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part two i'm just going to be really

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egotistical here and assume george

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listened to the tom delong profile

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that was how he started off his own

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interview with lou by researching hours

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so um no i'm sure he doesn't george

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knapp's an incredible interviewer but

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yeah it was a nice set nice happen

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stanson week can kick off part two in

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the next week or so with uh with that as

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well um

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but yeah so we were talking about

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some of the things that jumped out for

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me it was a long interview a huge

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transcription if you're going back and

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look at that

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uh public

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hearings uh i suppose was one of the

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things that jumped out to me early on

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lou made the comment that if public

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hearings happen

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people will be amazed at what atep

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actually found it was like grab your

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popcorn comment from lou

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and it probably goes without saying but

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i think at one point it was f five

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percent of the stories been told lew

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said overall

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later on he was talking about his book a

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little bit wasn't he yeah

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yeah five percent so

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very curious what's going to be in there

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listener did ask about the book i'll

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just touch on it because we're talking

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about the book i guess yeah go on

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um and

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lou was uh basically saying oh man i

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come from my notes now that is

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typical isn't

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it he's too busy looking up suitcases

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for colombia

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i've got a big pledge to note

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uh

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hold on that's that's just possible

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that's where we're going to jump about

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though like

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we'll not cut this bit because it gives

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dad a lot more work to do he's going to

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find them but um

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tell you what do you want to come back

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to the boot that makes it easier you got

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it is it there's a controller fine

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function i just need to use my computer

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properly um yeah lou said that he's

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writing the book for a very very

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specific reason i'll be clear when it

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comes out uh he hopes it's extremely

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informative and in the same breath says

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that he's working on with a group of

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people what he sees is the definitive

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uap documentary uh which

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i mean that'll be very exciting told

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from his point of view

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and i'm sure that will contain a lot of

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things that we haven't heard about or

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and that's not the same documentary

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announced by leslie keane and cnn i

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don't think it doesn't seem to have a

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link if there has been i've not seen

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that no no no

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it's a different team yeah

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yeah i mean there may be involvement and

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cross-pollination but i i'm not i

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wouldn't confidently say they're the

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same thing

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yeah no fair enough um so yeah i mean

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we're looking forward to lose book abs

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absolutely so yeah public hearings again

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it's one of those things if they happen

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fantastic

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it still seems at this point as we sit

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in january 2022 even with all the

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progress we've had

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a huge leap to have official

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public hearings where they're going to

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discuss ufos

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and they're going to have to bring up

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the subject of et's

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and

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the words potentially like spaceship

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being thrown about congress yeah because

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you're you're going you're going to then

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you're not going to only have your your

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really interested politicians like your

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rubin giles all those all those folks

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and

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you're not going to have just them

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you're going to have these politicians

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that'll be sitting there going are we

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actually having this conversation like

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am i and there'll be probably some

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guffawing and

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people that haven't been briefed or just

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been briefed that they can't believe the

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conversation that like i said they're

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having to have so that for me will be

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really interesting if i do get public

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hearings i'm gonna track how the media

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portrays the issue throughout it because

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i'm sure like you say you'll get some

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snarky comments at the beginning but by

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the end of the hearings uh well i guess

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i'll use the word samba again

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that's probably what it would be like by

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the end

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timing i think would be a massive thing

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as well though wouldn't it dan because

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what we've just seen that the worlds

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went on hold for almost two years as

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we've went through a pandemic which

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again i think i've said this before but

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it looks like we're coming out the other

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end off now in the uk and in the coming

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weeks and months all the restrictions

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it would just take something else to

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happen on a global scale

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a conflict somewhere a disagreement you

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know an event that again could could

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knock this back couldn't it and

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election time in various countries could

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be an issue that would knock this on

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knock this to the back of a queue of

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issues or bring it forward potentially i

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still don't see this being an issue that

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is going to be used to win an election

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would you

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i mean the

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if you look at the kind of original flea

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video and stuff on on youtube it has

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enough views that you know it could

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swing an election technically if every

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one of those views was a vote uh to look

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into the topic which is dubious but you

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know there is interest there is my point

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um and it would be interesting to see

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because it's law now that this office is

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going to be around 2026 and yes the next

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administration that comes in can get rid

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of it but that would require passing

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bills too and that would probably mean

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that people that put this through in the

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first place would argue against that so

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we would kind of get

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arguments and discussions about uap and

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probably et and spaceships in that event

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too so

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like lou likes to say that the ketchup's

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kind of out of the bottle now

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what i would love to see though is

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as in the last couple of years netflix

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created space force which is a a comedy

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but again has a lot of truth to to what

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we see in it and the way it's portrayed

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but it's still a laugh and a joke at the

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us government having a space force and

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and what it may or may not do and how it

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might actually be be run

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i would love to see something about this

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new potential ufo office but in a style

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of the west wing where the subject is

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treated you know properly and seriously

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and well written and dramatized and

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i suppose it would be a potential movie

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of louis elizondo's life would would be

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something if it was like an hbo maxi i

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mean you you can see

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you know other other biographies have

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been adapted into

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biopic so you know it could happen that

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would be very interesting um but since

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you said it i i'm just picturing uh

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steve corral in the dod as he he is that

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uh senator gilbrand is is passing this

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amendment and it suddenly you know tips

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his desk over and screams what we'll

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we'll make our own uep office first

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before they can do it and it's just all

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about that silly red tape we're going to

546
00:19:12,630 --> 00:19:09,600
get there we're going to get there don't

547
00:19:14,789 --> 00:19:12,640
worry um loomid a comment uh early on

548
00:19:16,549 --> 00:19:14,799
about it was this subject and being

549
00:19:19,110 --> 00:19:16,559
covered up as like rotten vegetables in

550
00:19:21,510 --> 00:19:19,120
the fridge the longer the subject is is

551
00:19:22,630 --> 00:19:21,520
left and avoided and ignored the smell's

552
00:19:25,190 --> 00:19:22,640
going to get worse and there's going to

553
00:19:26,789 --> 00:19:25,200
be a lot more to clean up and maybe now

554
00:19:28,470 --> 00:19:26,799
and now is the time to start cleaning

555
00:19:31,350 --> 00:19:28,480
this up which i like i like that that

556
00:19:34,070 --> 00:19:31,360
message um he mentioned two people by

557
00:19:36,630 --> 00:19:34,080
name who who tried to kill ossap when it

558
00:19:40,150 --> 00:19:36,640
was a program and kate borowicz who was

559
00:19:41,270 --> 00:19:40,160
dia and marcel letra of the ous i'm

560
00:19:44,549 --> 00:19:41,280
maybe pronouncing that a little too

561
00:19:46,950 --> 00:19:44,559
french um literary letter letter um of

562
00:19:49,830 --> 00:19:46,960
the o u s d i

563
00:19:51,750 --> 00:19:49,840
didn't see much more on that than um

564
00:19:52,549 --> 00:19:51,760
i mean there wasn't much follow-up there

565
00:19:56,870 --> 00:19:52,559
um

566
00:19:58,310 --> 00:19:56,880
which lou responded with i recognized

567
00:20:00,070 --> 00:19:58,320
that name my mom used safe he got

568
00:20:02,710 --> 00:20:00,080
nothing good to say don't say anything

569
00:20:04,070 --> 00:20:02,720
at all uh which telling right that that

570
00:20:07,510 --> 00:20:04,080
was the same breath that he kind of said

571
00:20:08,950 --> 00:20:07,520
about the hearings and cities

572
00:20:09,990 --> 00:20:08,960
do you think some of these people might

573
00:20:12,710 --> 00:20:10,000
be

574
00:20:16,390 --> 00:20:12,720
the book

575
00:20:18,230 --> 00:20:16,400
as as a more official process

576
00:20:20,390 --> 00:20:18,240
it might not be the most interesting

577
00:20:22,310 --> 00:20:20,400
conversation for lou to have on on air

578
00:20:24,310 --> 00:20:22,320
and maybe there's reasons he doesn't but

579
00:20:26,070 --> 00:20:24,320
maybe putting it down in a book for for

580
00:20:28,789 --> 00:20:26,080
reasons as where they can clearly lay

581
00:20:30,310 --> 00:20:28,799
out a time time frame and chronological

582
00:20:32,070 --> 00:20:30,320
events so here's what happened here's

583
00:20:34,230 --> 00:20:32,080
what i was working on here are some of

584
00:20:35,990 --> 00:20:34,240
the people that tried to stop x y and z

585
00:20:37,990 --> 00:20:36,000
and they can it can lay that out as as

586
00:20:40,310 --> 00:20:38,000
proof you know yeah and and you would

587
00:20:41,430 --> 00:20:40,320
imagine that if those people i mean they

588
00:20:43,669 --> 00:20:41,440
they get an option we learn with the

589
00:20:46,310 --> 00:20:43,679
skin we'll walk a book um

590
00:20:48,870 --> 00:20:46,320
like he's one that

591
00:20:51,590 --> 00:20:48,880
you can they they have to submit it for

592
00:20:53,750 --> 00:20:51,600
kind of processing and for rejections um

593
00:20:55,830 --> 00:20:53,760
so it'll be interesting to see if any of

594
00:20:57,909 --> 00:20:55,840
the people who mentions or departments

595
00:21:01,029 --> 00:20:57,919
he mentions or events he mentions um are

596
00:21:02,870 --> 00:21:01,039
redacted you know um i believe they they

597
00:21:04,230 --> 00:21:02,880
had to in the book kind of cite you or

598
00:21:06,070 --> 00:21:04,240
at least give reasons why and things

599
00:21:07,750 --> 00:21:06,080
like that so that'll be interesting if

600
00:21:08,789 --> 00:21:07,760
that happens

601
00:21:11,909 --> 00:21:08,799
let me bring in a little bit of

602
00:21:13,750 --> 00:21:11,919
speculation here potentially because

603
00:21:15,430 --> 00:21:13,760
he made the comment off the back of one

604
00:21:17,510 --> 00:21:15,440
of george knapp's questions that

605
00:21:19,590 --> 00:21:17,520
ufologist looking for proof of alien

606
00:21:21,350 --> 00:21:19,600
bodies go take a break go learn the

607
00:21:24,470 --> 00:21:21,360
piano or the violin

608
00:21:26,870 --> 00:21:24,480
check out for five years then come back

609
00:21:28,390 --> 00:21:26,880
as the the five years time scale in any

610
00:21:29,750 --> 00:21:28,400
way relevant do you think am i doing

611
00:21:32,149 --> 00:21:29,760
that thing where i find the time scale

612
00:21:33,110 --> 00:21:32,159
and go ha five years is is that when

613
00:21:35,750 --> 00:21:33,120
we're going to get pictures of alien

614
00:21:37,430 --> 00:21:35,760
boys because lou said five seconds when

615
00:21:38,789 --> 00:21:37,440
we were talking about the temporal stuff

616
00:21:40,710 --> 00:21:38,799
right yeah um

617
00:21:42,630 --> 00:21:40,720
so maybe it's just a convenient number

618
00:21:44,670 --> 00:21:42,640
or maybe you know it's the number at the

619
00:21:46,390 --> 00:21:44,680
base of the universe

620
00:21:48,070 --> 00:21:46,400
[Music]

621
00:21:49,830 --> 00:21:48,080
so he's probably just picking a random

622
00:21:51,830 --> 00:21:49,840
like arbitrary time scale there i've

623
00:21:53,350 --> 00:21:51,840
come back in five years and you'll see

624
00:21:55,750 --> 00:21:53,360
the progress i think we've talked about

625
00:21:57,510 --> 00:21:55,760
haven't made it in and now just over

626
00:21:59,669 --> 00:21:57,520
four years how much progress has been

627
00:22:01,190 --> 00:21:59,679
made that by the end of this year we

628
00:22:03,510 --> 00:22:01,200
could be looking at wow there's five

629
00:22:05,430 --> 00:22:03,520
years since this all came out

630
00:22:07,190 --> 00:22:05,440
and look where we are and he's making

631
00:22:08,950 --> 00:22:07,200
the point that if you're really looking

632
00:22:11,190 --> 00:22:08,960
for some of that maybe more sensational

633
00:22:12,390 --> 00:22:11,200
stuff i suppose with another five years

634
00:22:13,990 --> 00:22:12,400
time passing by

635
00:22:15,110 --> 00:22:14,000
we could have had those congressional

636
00:22:17,110 --> 00:22:15,120
hearings

637
00:22:19,190 --> 00:22:17,120
more incredible videos or photographic

638
00:22:21,350 --> 00:22:19,200
evidence come out maybe that famed black

639
00:22:22,950 --> 00:22:21,360
triangle photo that everyone's it's

640
00:22:25,110 --> 00:22:22,960
probably going to become internet myth

641
00:22:27,909 --> 00:22:25,120
let's be honest an internet legend that

642
00:22:30,549 --> 00:22:27,919
photograph but yeah what what could have

643
00:22:32,390 --> 00:22:30,559
come out in in five more years because

644
00:22:34,070 --> 00:22:32,400
you would have to say if we could go

645
00:22:35,510 --> 00:22:34,080
forward in time done which maybe there

646
00:22:37,270 --> 00:22:35,520
are species that can do that as we've

647
00:22:39,909 --> 00:22:37,280
learned if we could jump forward we can

648
00:22:42,470 --> 00:22:39,919
go forward in time wait watch yeah yeah

649
00:22:44,470 --> 00:22:42,480
we've done it yeah we've done that again

650
00:22:46,789 --> 00:22:44,480
very good but if if we could jump

651
00:22:49,029 --> 00:22:46,799
forward that five years and and review

652
00:22:50,789 --> 00:22:49,039
the five years i've just been

653
00:22:52,950 --> 00:22:50,799
if we weren't much further forward and

654
00:22:55,510 --> 00:22:52,960
we were still talking about the nimitz

655
00:22:58,070 --> 00:22:55,520
princeton event those three videos the

656
00:23:00,710 --> 00:22:58,080
potential of a black triangular photo

657
00:23:02,149 --> 00:23:00,720
the ufo office is set up but you know

658
00:23:03,430 --> 00:23:02,159
we've not heard much more from it yet

659
00:23:06,470 --> 00:23:03,440
but it's doing lots of great work in the

660
00:23:08,470 --> 00:23:06,480
background you would have to say uh

661
00:23:10,870 --> 00:23:08,480
that has been a bit disappointing

662
00:23:12,470 --> 00:23:10,880
but i'm i'm guessing and what i'm taking

663
00:23:13,590 --> 00:23:12,480
from that what lou is saying is you know

664
00:23:16,149 --> 00:23:13,600
in five years we're going to have a hell

665
00:23:18,630 --> 00:23:16,159
of a lot more progress even more

666
00:23:20,630 --> 00:23:18,640
than what we've had already and

667
00:23:22,310 --> 00:23:20,640
and just wait but for those of us who

668
00:23:23,909 --> 00:23:22,320
are interested in this and who want to

669
00:23:25,830 --> 00:23:23,919
podcast about it or if you're listening

670
00:23:28,950 --> 00:23:25,840
to this right now listening to us talk

671
00:23:30,149 --> 00:23:28,960
about it then you can see how much just

672
00:23:32,230 --> 00:23:30,159
in the last week and a half and we've

673
00:23:34,390 --> 00:23:32,240
still got more to talk about

674
00:23:36,630 --> 00:23:34,400
has happened um

675
00:23:38,390 --> 00:23:36,640
2022 is going to be a knockout year lou

676
00:23:40,310 --> 00:23:38,400
said how much you take from that will

677
00:23:42,230 --> 00:23:40,320
depend on which side of the louellazondo

678
00:23:44,310 --> 00:23:42,240
fence you fall on we don't have to say

679
00:23:45,909 --> 00:23:44,320
you know we are

680
00:23:47,909 --> 00:23:45,919
fans of lou if you want to call it that

681
00:23:49,190 --> 00:23:47,919
and we've got faith in them but i think

682
00:23:50,630 --> 00:23:49,200
it's something that even if you're one

683
00:23:53,350 --> 00:23:50,640
of those people who

684
00:23:55,029 --> 00:23:53,360
aren't massively happy with or you know

685
00:23:57,430 --> 00:23:55,039
don't take everything lou says you know

686
00:23:58,549 --> 00:23:57,440
face value and such that it's something

687
00:24:00,470 --> 00:23:58,559
you're going to be able to come back in

688
00:24:02,470 --> 00:24:00,480
just 11 months and evaluate

689
00:24:04,870 --> 00:24:02,480
has 2022 been a knockout year we're

690
00:24:06,630 --> 00:24:04,880
living it right now and we should have

691
00:24:07,590 --> 00:24:06,640
you know some some big announcements

692
00:24:09,510 --> 00:24:07,600
some

693
00:24:12,470 --> 00:24:09,520
set up of the office galileo project

694
00:24:15,029 --> 00:24:12,480
really taking off uapx and april with

695
00:24:19,029 --> 00:24:15,039
data coming out and and any number of

696
00:24:20,549 --> 00:24:19,039
other things potentially so absolutely

697
00:24:23,430 --> 00:24:20,559
mentioned that they're trying to form an

698
00:24:25,909 --> 00:24:23,440
academic and civilian advisory boards um

699
00:24:27,750 --> 00:24:25,919
and that someone with a phd in sociology

700
00:24:29,990 --> 00:24:27,760
um is interested and lou goes on to

701
00:24:31,269 --> 00:24:30,000
discuss how basically the next question

702
00:24:33,110 --> 00:24:31,279
is we're no longer talking about are

703
00:24:35,350 --> 00:24:33,120
these things real these things are there

704
00:24:37,110 --> 00:24:35,360
it's how they affect us now as a species

705
00:24:38,870 --> 00:24:37,120
in different ways uh socially

706
00:24:41,029 --> 00:24:38,880
financially all these things that are

707
00:24:42,789 --> 00:24:41,039
really really important um

708
00:24:44,549 --> 00:24:42,799
and that's i mean that's what actually

709
00:24:46,549 --> 00:24:44,559
tackling this issue looks like on a

710
00:24:48,470 --> 00:24:46,559
proper scale right it's not about just

711
00:24:51,190 --> 00:24:48,480
looking at videos of lights in the sky

712
00:24:52,149 --> 00:24:51,200
um it changes a lot

713
00:24:53,269 --> 00:24:52,159
on this

714
00:24:54,789 --> 00:24:53,279
globe

715
00:24:56,149 --> 00:24:54,799
the phrase it's mentioned is we have to

716
00:24:58,549 --> 00:24:56,159
look at extending a hand and not a

717
00:25:00,230 --> 00:24:58,559
machine gun yeah going forward and and

718
00:25:02,230 --> 00:25:00,240
those are questions and conversations

719
00:25:04,149 --> 00:25:02,240
that you would hope are absolutely being

720
00:25:06,070 --> 00:25:04,159
had um

721
00:25:07,590 --> 00:25:06,080
it's something that got going back years

722
00:25:09,350 --> 00:25:07,600
we've seen you know what mentioned that

723
00:25:11,990 --> 00:25:09,360
the vatican has an interest in the

724
00:25:13,190 --> 00:25:12,000
subject we have seen you know has the us

725
00:25:15,990 --> 00:25:13,200
government got

726
00:25:17,350 --> 00:25:16,000
uh a plan for you know if and when we

727
00:25:18,950 --> 00:25:17,360
make that contact we've seen enough

728
00:25:20,710 --> 00:25:18,960
movies about it you would like to think

729
00:25:22,789 --> 00:25:20,720
there's something there's something down

730
00:25:24,549 --> 00:25:22,799
there i know it's something that nick

731
00:25:26,070 --> 00:25:24,559
pope mentioned that he had put forward

732
00:25:27,350 --> 00:25:26,080
years ago off to the to the british

733
00:25:29,190 --> 00:25:27,360
government but how much you could put

734
00:25:30,470 --> 00:25:29,200
into that you know was it just lip

735
00:25:33,750 --> 00:25:30,480
service to

736
00:25:35,430 --> 00:25:33,760
the daily star or you know

737
00:25:38,710 --> 00:25:35,440
and that would probably

738
00:25:41,029 --> 00:25:38,720
serve a very specific kind of

739
00:25:42,789 --> 00:25:41,039
disclosure right like that and any plan

740
00:25:44,149 --> 00:25:42,799
like that at the moment probably is

741
00:25:45,510 --> 00:25:44,159
pretty conservative and talking about

742
00:25:47,510 --> 00:25:45,520
okay well if the species comes from

743
00:25:49,110 --> 00:25:47,520
space and says hello but we we know

744
00:25:51,830 --> 00:25:49,120
there's all this other weirdness in this

745
00:25:53,669 --> 00:25:51,840
subject so you know what what happens if

746
00:25:55,750 --> 00:25:53,679
or that plan i should say looks very

747
00:25:57,269 --> 00:25:55,760
different if suddenly we know there's a

748
00:25:59,190 --> 00:25:57,279
species that can just walk through walls

749
00:26:01,430 --> 00:25:59,200
and see all our secrets at will and you

750
00:26:04,070 --> 00:26:01,440
know we hide nothing from them basically

751
00:26:05,510 --> 00:26:04,080
yeah we'll see what happens and uh close

752
00:26:07,510 --> 00:26:05,520
encounters are the third kind you know

753
00:26:08,710 --> 00:26:07,520
let's play some nice music flash some

754
00:26:10,070 --> 00:26:08,720
lights and

755
00:26:12,070 --> 00:26:10,080
everything goes well and i've seen

756
00:26:13,510 --> 00:26:12,080
independence day where let's flash some

757
00:26:15,909 --> 00:26:13,520
signals at this thing and it gets blown

758
00:26:17,430 --> 00:26:15,919
out the sky so you know it's it's an

759
00:26:20,070 --> 00:26:17,440
interesting conversation maybe a good

760
00:26:21,990 --> 00:26:20,080
what if down the line again dan yeah

761
00:26:24,470 --> 00:26:22,000
the conversation always right now still

762
00:26:26,070 --> 00:26:24,480
goes back to drones which is the the

763
00:26:28,630 --> 00:26:26,080
buzzword of the last couple of years

764
00:26:30,310 --> 00:26:28,640
okay um and lou talks about the drone's

765
00:26:32,630 --> 00:26:30,320
argument and goes back to rightly that

766
00:26:34,470 --> 00:26:32,640
you know we didn't have drones maybe you

767
00:26:35,909 --> 00:26:34,480
can use that argument now that yes jones

768
00:26:37,750 --> 00:26:35,919
everything's drones there was a football

769
00:26:39,190 --> 00:26:37,760
match in the uk stopped yesterday for

770
00:26:41,190 --> 00:26:39,200
for 20 minutes because someone was

771
00:26:43,350 --> 00:26:41,200
flying a drone over the stadium now they

772
00:26:45,029 --> 00:26:43,360
clearly caught the drone on camera um

773
00:26:46,390 --> 00:26:45,039
and a police helicopter had to come by

774
00:26:48,070 --> 00:26:46,400
for safety issues and all that kind of

775
00:26:49,750 --> 00:26:48,080
stuff but

776
00:26:51,029 --> 00:26:49,760
it's it's the easy one for even the

777
00:26:52,630 --> 00:26:51,039
general public now to throw it's

778
00:26:54,630 --> 00:26:52,640
probably a drone when you see something

779
00:26:56,310 --> 00:26:54,640
in the sky you can't explain but in the

780
00:26:58,070 --> 00:26:56,320
50s and 60s

781
00:26:59,190 --> 00:26:58,080
lou mentions the chinese never had any

782
00:27:01,510 --> 00:26:59,200
drones that could have loitered about

783
00:27:03,110 --> 00:27:01,520
the pacific ocean and i think our friend

784
00:27:06,070 --> 00:27:03,120
graham rendell would attest to these

785
00:27:08,549 --> 00:27:06,080
satans going back even further than that

786
00:27:10,950 --> 00:27:08,559
and drone just happens to be the go-to

787
00:27:12,630 --> 00:27:10,960
world now a really interesting point i

788
00:27:14,870 --> 00:27:12,640
thought that came up here was lou talks

789
00:27:16,870 --> 00:27:14,880
about the drones buzzing the warships in

790
00:27:18,389 --> 00:27:16,880
2019 you know the omaha the russell

791
00:27:20,310 --> 00:27:18,399
events those those sorts of things that

792
00:27:22,710 --> 00:27:20,320
corbel had come out with information

793
00:27:25,990 --> 00:27:22,720
through through george knapp as well

794
00:27:27,430 --> 00:27:26,000
and lou mentions that after the 2000 uss

795
00:27:29,350 --> 00:27:27,440
coal attack

796
00:27:31,669 --> 00:27:29,360
these wouldn't be allowed to just just

797
00:27:33,909 --> 00:27:31,679
be there that was a where basically a

798
00:27:35,350 --> 00:27:33,919
small boat was used to hit the side of a

799
00:27:37,110 --> 00:27:35,360
u.s ship

800
00:27:40,310 --> 00:27:37,120
and servicemen service men and women

801
00:27:42,070 --> 00:27:40,320
died in that event um

802
00:27:44,070 --> 00:27:42,080
we've heard and we discussed that these

803
00:27:46,310 --> 00:27:44,080
events where the ships go dark when

804
00:27:49,190 --> 00:27:46,320
there are drones buzzing about is so

805
00:27:51,190 --> 00:27:49,200
there can be less electronic data

806
00:27:53,269 --> 00:27:51,200
gathered by the the drones if it is a

807
00:27:55,029 --> 00:27:53,279
foreign adversary but also you can be

808
00:27:57,190 --> 00:27:55,039
collecting data from from the other way

809
00:27:59,029 --> 00:27:57,200
as well yeah but lou lou doesn't say

810
00:28:01,510 --> 00:27:59,039
that louis says that these wouldn't be

811
00:28:03,029 --> 00:28:01,520
allowed to just sit there because they

812
00:28:05,190 --> 00:28:03,039
could potentially

813
00:28:07,110 --> 00:28:05,200
impact a ship drop a bomb it could be

814
00:28:08,630 --> 00:28:07,120
you know pirates terrorists any number

815
00:28:11,110 --> 00:28:08,640
of different things it's not always just

816
00:28:12,789 --> 00:28:11,120
china or russia or the us spying on each

817
00:28:13,590 --> 00:28:12,799
other what were your thoughts on that

818
00:28:16,630 --> 00:28:13,600
then

819
00:28:18,310 --> 00:28:16,640
it was real interesting because you know

820
00:28:20,149 --> 00:28:18,320
they they have counter measures that we

821
00:28:21,590 --> 00:28:20,159
know are sometimes successful sometimes

822
00:28:23,750 --> 00:28:21,600
not and

823
00:28:24,789 --> 00:28:23,760
when when you're dealing with you know

824
00:28:26,389 --> 00:28:24,799
trying to

825
00:28:28,950 --> 00:28:26,399
interfere with radio signals and things

826
00:28:32,149 --> 00:28:28,960
like that we we kind of have that skill

827
00:28:33,990 --> 00:28:32,159
down pat you know as a thing that we can

828
00:28:34,950 --> 00:28:34,000
just do um

829
00:28:37,110 --> 00:28:34,960
so

830
00:28:39,669 --> 00:28:37,120
to kind of see

831
00:28:42,070 --> 00:28:39,679
repeated incursions like this

832
00:28:43,590 --> 00:28:42,080
not only get around those defenses but

833
00:28:44,789 --> 00:28:43,600
render them essentially ineffective to

834
00:28:46,310 --> 00:28:44,799
the point where the ship just has to go

835
00:28:47,590 --> 00:28:46,320
dark and they just have to wait and see

836
00:28:48,950 --> 00:28:47,600
and probably just write down what

837
00:28:51,830 --> 00:28:48,960
happens and hope that nothing bad

838
00:28:52,630 --> 00:28:51,840
happens um it leads to the conversation

839
00:28:54,630 --> 00:28:52,640
of

840
00:28:57,110 --> 00:28:54,640
well you know have they been out knowing

841
00:28:59,110 --> 00:28:57,120
that these things can come to them

842
00:29:00,950 --> 00:28:59,120
with some tools on board to maybe try

843
00:29:04,070 --> 00:29:00,960
and coax them and they do speak about

844
00:29:06,310 --> 00:29:04,080
that um and there was a little bit of it

845
00:29:08,710 --> 00:29:06,320
interesting uh data dropped by tim

846
00:29:10,549 --> 00:29:08,720
mcmillan uh on social media not too long

847
00:29:12,870 --> 00:29:10,559
ago where it was mentioned about

848
00:29:15,029 --> 00:29:12,880
anti-neutrino mapping because basically

849
00:29:16,549 --> 00:29:15,039
the nuclear processes give those off so

850
00:29:18,230 --> 00:29:16,559
you can have a satellite in space now

851
00:29:20,470 --> 00:29:18,240
that essentially just identifies all the

852
00:29:21,269 --> 00:29:20,480
nuclear reactors around the world

853
00:29:23,110 --> 00:29:21,279
so

854
00:29:25,830 --> 00:29:23,120
you can identify areas of interest for

855
00:29:28,389 --> 00:29:25,840
uap essentially and also if you could

856
00:29:30,389 --> 00:29:28,399
generate those then without kind of

857
00:29:31,430 --> 00:29:30,399
nuclear material then you can

858
00:29:33,430 --> 00:29:31,440
essentially

859
00:29:35,909 --> 00:29:33,440
bait a uap without actually having that

860
00:29:38,230 --> 00:29:35,919
nuclear material so this conversation is

861
00:29:40,070 --> 00:29:38,240
going somewhere very very interesting um

862
00:29:41,830 --> 00:29:40,080
if anyone wants to look at that data

863
00:29:43,430 --> 00:29:41,840
search the national geospatial

864
00:29:45,430 --> 00:29:43,440
intelligence agency study of

865
00:29:47,830 --> 00:29:45,440
anti-neutrinos and you can download a

866
00:29:49,190 --> 00:29:47,840
global map as well as the google

867
00:29:50,870 --> 00:29:49,200
earth

868
00:29:53,110 --> 00:29:50,880
overview data which is very cool you can

869
00:29:54,389 --> 00:29:53,120
kind of plot it against uap and yeah

870
00:29:55,750 --> 00:29:54,399
surprise surprise they're in nuclear

871
00:29:57,430 --> 00:29:55,760
correlations

872
00:29:58,950 --> 00:29:57,440
yes and that's something i'll be going

873
00:30:01,510 --> 00:29:58,960
into with tim mcmillan because i've

874
00:30:03,909 --> 00:30:01,520
gotten back on the podcast recording on

875
00:30:05,669 --> 00:30:03,919
the 28th of january for a release the

876
00:30:07,350 --> 00:30:05,679
following week and we'll be talking

877
00:30:08,950 --> 00:30:07,360
about the upcoming office or the

878
00:30:10,950 --> 00:30:08,960
information on drones

879
00:30:12,710 --> 00:30:10,960
anti-neutrinos article easy for me to

880
00:30:14,230 --> 00:30:12,720
say and some other stuff as well so

881
00:30:16,549 --> 00:30:14,240
again if you want to get some questions

882
00:30:20,789 --> 00:30:16,559
over very early for tim it's always a

883
00:30:22,230 --> 00:30:20,799
popular show at ufo uap am gmail.com for

884
00:30:23,909 --> 00:30:22,240
lieutenant tim mcmillan so looking

885
00:30:26,630 --> 00:30:23,919
forward to that one then

886
00:30:29,350 --> 00:30:26,640
um lou talks about the uh the offices

887
00:30:31,190 --> 00:30:29,360
the aoi msg

888
00:30:32,870 --> 00:30:31,200
did you catch what the they're calling

889
00:30:35,190 --> 00:30:32,880
it internally

890
00:30:37,110 --> 00:30:35,200
okay the aim

891
00:30:39,029 --> 00:30:37,120
uh which for any marvel fans out there

892
00:30:40,710 --> 00:30:39,039
is the kind of crappy version of stark

893
00:30:42,070 --> 00:30:40,720
industries that that made me giggle a

894
00:30:43,350 --> 00:30:42,080
little bit

895
00:30:44,710 --> 00:30:43,360
it's

896
00:30:47,110 --> 00:30:44,720
we've always said it never rolls off the

897
00:30:49,269 --> 00:30:47,120
tongue does it um but lou mentions and

898
00:30:51,909 --> 00:30:49,279
kind of laughs that one of the offices

899
00:30:53,669 --> 00:30:51,919
won't exist going forward i imagine it's

900
00:30:55,590 --> 00:30:53,679
going to be the aoi msg which we have

901
00:30:57,509 --> 00:30:55,600
said for some time looks to be a

902
00:30:59,110 --> 00:30:57,519
diversionary and you joked about it with

903
00:31:01,029 --> 00:30:59,120
a space force comment down didn't you

904
00:31:02,830 --> 00:31:01,039
but yeah it's very much been uh huh look

905
00:31:05,269 --> 00:31:02,840
look what i can do

906
00:31:06,950 --> 00:31:05,279
um you don't need that i'm doing this

907
00:31:09,430 --> 00:31:06,960
imagine i didn't want dan to go to

908
00:31:11,590 --> 00:31:09,440
colombia because i needed him to record

909
00:31:13,350 --> 00:31:11,600
something that week so dan instead i go

910
00:31:15,110 --> 00:31:13,360
to columbia i've actually

911
00:31:17,110 --> 00:31:15,120
set up my own documentary

912
00:31:19,110 --> 00:31:17,120
it's going to be on the likes of

913
00:31:21,269 --> 00:31:19,120
northumberland and we're going to hike

914
00:31:23,990 --> 00:31:21,279
up um northumberlandia that's something

915
00:31:25,590 --> 00:31:24,000
you can google folks i live very close

916
00:31:26,950 --> 00:31:25,600
it's quite an interesting landmark but

917
00:31:28,310 --> 00:31:26,960
yeah we're going to hike up there and

918
00:31:30,470 --> 00:31:28,320
we're going to look at the lights that

919
00:31:31,590 --> 00:31:30,480
have been seen above the ardan so yeah

920
00:31:32,549 --> 00:31:31,600
there's no need for you to go to

921
00:31:33,509 --> 00:31:32,559
colombia

922
00:31:35,509 --> 00:31:33,519
that's

923
00:31:37,350 --> 00:31:35,519
pointless this is getting done over here

924
00:31:39,350 --> 00:31:37,360
so yeah that's what they've kind of done

925
00:31:41,110 --> 00:31:39,360
is look over here don't worry about that

926
00:31:42,470 --> 00:31:41,120
we are dealing with it we are taking

927
00:31:44,470 --> 00:31:42,480
this seriously

928
00:31:46,549 --> 00:31:44,480
you don't have to do that and it doesn't

929
00:31:47,990 --> 00:31:46,559
seem like it's going to work it seems on

930
00:31:50,870 --> 00:31:48,000
a really

931
00:31:52,470 --> 00:31:50,880
international global you know important

932
00:31:54,389 --> 00:31:52,480
governmental level

933
00:31:56,630 --> 00:31:54,399
quite petty

934
00:31:59,029 --> 00:31:56,640
and yet here we are the bureaucratic

935
00:32:01,830 --> 00:31:59,039
nonsense i i would say you know lou

936
00:32:03,509 --> 00:32:01,840
points out that usdi is an oversight

937
00:32:05,029 --> 00:32:03,519
organization so it can't actually do any

938
00:32:07,669 --> 00:32:05,039
investigation so it can't fulfill the

939
00:32:10,549 --> 00:32:07,679
remit the congress has just asked uh of

940
00:32:11,990 --> 00:32:10,559
it um so you know it can't possibly do

941
00:32:14,230 --> 00:32:12,000
it it can't do the job therefore it's

942
00:32:15,990 --> 00:32:14,240
not fit to go with your analogy even

943
00:32:17,750 --> 00:32:16,000
further it would be like you doing that

944
00:32:20,230 --> 00:32:17,760
and not actually having a production

945
00:32:21,509 --> 00:32:20,240
company in place in the first place so i

946
00:32:23,430 --> 00:32:21,519
just kind of show up and there's nothing

947
00:32:25,029 --> 00:32:23,440
to do you know

948
00:32:27,269 --> 00:32:25,039
that's the plan yeah i don't have a

949
00:32:28,710 --> 00:32:27,279
production

950
00:32:30,070 --> 00:32:28,720
as long as you provide a lot of pie out

951
00:32:32,070 --> 00:32:30,080
i'll come

952
00:32:33,509 --> 00:32:32,080
yeah me with a webcam plugged into a

953
00:32:36,070 --> 00:32:33,519
power bank that would be a production

954
00:32:37,110 --> 00:32:36,080
company um listen it gets the job done

955
00:32:39,430 --> 00:32:37,120
so yeah i thought that was an

956
00:32:41,350 --> 00:32:39,440
interesting albeit expected comment from

957
00:32:43,509 --> 00:32:41,360
lou and again i don't feel there's a

958
00:32:46,070 --> 00:32:43,519
need for that aoi msg with with what's

959
00:32:47,909 --> 00:32:46,080
being set up um it doesn't seem like

960
00:32:50,230 --> 00:32:47,919
it's going to be the the transparent

961
00:32:51,750 --> 00:32:50,240
office that we all hope is so um

962
00:32:54,789 --> 00:32:51,760
interesting from our point of view if

963
00:32:57,029 --> 00:32:54,799
you're outside of the us that in 2022

964
00:32:59,590 --> 00:32:57,039
more international cooperation at the

965
00:33:02,470 --> 00:32:59,600
official and unofficial level is to be

966
00:33:05,269 --> 00:33:02,480
expected as well i mean ourselves in the

967
00:33:07,430 --> 00:33:05,279
uk than doing a very small part

968
00:33:09,669 --> 00:33:07,440
with uap media and our colleagues you

969
00:33:12,630 --> 00:33:09,679
know dave partridge graham rendell adam

970
00:33:14,310 --> 00:33:12,640
goldsack vinnie adams to

971
00:33:16,470 --> 00:33:14,320
to kind of help the conversation forward

972
00:33:18,310 --> 00:33:16,480
as we can here and i mentioned a few

973
00:33:19,590 --> 00:33:18,320
weeks ago i think and again even just

974
00:33:22,710 --> 00:33:19,600
things like some of the articles that

975
00:33:24,950 --> 00:33:22,720
have gone out through various um online

976
00:33:26,789 --> 00:33:24,960
services recently different papers we've

977
00:33:28,230 --> 00:33:26,799
been in touch with the journalists and

978
00:33:29,669 --> 00:33:28,240
it's even been things like getting them

979
00:33:32,070 --> 00:33:29,679
to correct some of the terminology

980
00:33:33,509 --> 00:33:32,080
they're using if you saw the daily star

981
00:33:36,470 --> 00:33:33,519
headline and quotes about

982
00:33:37,190 --> 00:33:36,480
extraterrestrial nonsense that they had

983
00:33:38,870 --> 00:33:37,200
on

984
00:33:40,310 --> 00:33:38,880
we are actively just trying to do little

985
00:33:43,909 --> 00:33:40,320
things in the background that you know

986
00:33:45,509 --> 00:33:43,919
for if a paper has a sizable readership

987
00:33:48,470 --> 00:33:45,519
you know can they take out phrasing like

988
00:33:50,630 --> 00:33:48,480
alien hunters and alien enthusiasts and

989
00:33:52,870 --> 00:33:50,640
can you just talk about this seriously

990
00:33:54,789 --> 00:33:52,880
and it's been very very small battles

991
00:33:56,230 --> 00:33:54,799
you know this is when i talk about

992
00:33:58,070 --> 00:33:56,240
there's no

993
00:33:59,669 --> 00:33:58,080
call for politicians in the uk at the

994
00:34:01,269 --> 00:33:59,679
minute on mass to discuss us in

995
00:34:03,590 --> 00:34:01,279
parliament because we're still trying to

996
00:34:05,909 --> 00:34:03,600
get journalists to to change the wording

997
00:34:07,509 --> 00:34:05,919
of articles at the minute so it's it's a

998
00:34:08,869 --> 00:34:07,519
grassroots movement and it's great that

999
00:34:10,950 --> 00:34:08,879
we've got listeners getting in touch as

1000
00:34:12,310 --> 00:34:10,960
well to and no doubt people who don't

1001
00:34:13,909 --> 00:34:12,320
listen to the show as well there's

1002
00:34:15,030 --> 00:34:13,919
plenty of those i mean needless to say

1003
00:34:16,950 --> 00:34:15,040
there's more people who don't listen to

1004
00:34:18,950 --> 00:34:16,960
the show than do but it's great that

1005
00:34:21,030 --> 00:34:18,960
people are being involved and contacting

1006
00:34:22,389 --> 00:34:21,040
local politicians and and saying that

1007
00:34:23,750 --> 00:34:22,399
i'm trying to get in touch with them and

1008
00:34:25,750 --> 00:34:23,760
i'll let them know about an interest in

1009
00:34:28,069 --> 00:34:25,760
the subject and and what's happening in

1010
00:34:30,230 --> 00:34:28,079
the states and elsewhere in the world so

1011
00:34:32,069 --> 00:34:30,240
i'm i'm excited that we can be a very

1012
00:34:33,990 --> 00:34:32,079
very small part in helping to change

1013
00:34:35,990 --> 00:34:34,000
here in the uk and if you're listening

1014
00:34:38,470 --> 00:34:36,000
elsewhere in the world you know

1015
00:34:40,790 --> 00:34:38,480
contact your own politicians contract

1016
00:34:42,629 --> 00:34:40,800
contact local journalists it doesn't all

1017
00:34:44,550 --> 00:34:42,639
doesn't always have to be a politician

1018
00:34:46,710 --> 00:34:44,560
because journalists and newspapers media

1019
00:34:48,629 --> 00:34:46,720
outlets those are the people as well who

1020
00:34:50,550 --> 00:34:48,639
can have a huge saying and what is

1021
00:34:52,230 --> 00:34:50,560
discussed and what is the zeitgeist and

1022
00:34:54,790 --> 00:34:52,240
and everything in your own in your own

1023
00:34:56,710 --> 00:34:54,800
kind of area as well so i'm i'm hopeful

1024
00:34:58,550 --> 00:34:56,720
from a uk point of view dan that we can

1025
00:35:00,470 --> 00:34:58,560
help out a little bit with that as well

1026
00:35:03,750 --> 00:35:00,480
yeah i think so it's all about those

1027
00:35:06,069 --> 00:35:03,760
kind of small battles and even if it's

1028
00:35:08,069 --> 00:35:06,079
just putting on someone's radar that it

1029
00:35:09,990 --> 00:35:08,079
exists and is being taken seriously do

1030
00:35:11,750 --> 00:35:10,000
it like you know the person's eyes might

1031
00:35:13,510 --> 00:35:11,760
glaze over after that bit because it's a

1032
00:35:15,910 --> 00:35:13,520
lot to take on this is a huge paradigm

1033
00:35:17,510 --> 00:35:15,920
shift but if you just kind of stick with

1034
00:35:19,190 --> 00:35:17,520
it and just see those ideas out into the

1035
00:35:20,790 --> 00:35:19,200
world the conversation will change this

1036
00:35:22,470 --> 00:35:20,800
is how it happens

1037
00:35:24,069 --> 00:35:22,480
and for me last point i want to bring up

1038
00:35:25,670 --> 00:35:24,079
about the luella zonda one coast to

1039
00:35:27,589 --> 00:35:25,680
coast i would thoroughly recommend

1040
00:35:29,190 --> 00:35:27,599
people check out themselves there are

1041
00:35:31,190 --> 00:35:29,200
ways and means to listen to it or you

1042
00:35:33,109 --> 00:35:31,200
can read joe martia's transcript

1043
00:35:36,310 --> 00:35:33,119
george knapp talks about the weirder

1044
00:35:38,710 --> 00:35:36,320
side of the subject um we all know lou

1045
00:35:39,750 --> 00:35:38,720
tends to stay very much nuts and bolts

1046
00:35:41,510 --> 00:35:39,760
facts

1047
00:35:44,710 --> 00:35:41,520
the the congressional staff has worked

1048
00:35:46,710 --> 00:35:44,720
in atep and such but lewis says there is

1049
00:35:49,510 --> 00:35:46,720
no there would have been no atep without

1050
00:35:51,510 --> 00:35:49,520
ossap and we now know asap i suppose is

1051
00:35:53,910 --> 00:35:51,520
more of the the skinwalker ranch program

1052
00:35:55,109 --> 00:35:53,920
and and all that entailed yeah yeah even

1053
00:35:56,710 --> 00:35:55,119
though there were some other aspects of

1054
00:35:57,829 --> 00:35:56,720
it as well but that's that was the gist

1055
00:35:59,829 --> 00:35:57,839
especially from the book with the

1056
00:36:01,510 --> 00:35:59,839
catskin app and keller

1057
00:36:02,630 --> 00:36:01,520
and it detailed events at skinwalker

1058
00:36:04,950 --> 00:36:02,640
ranch

1059
00:36:05,990 --> 00:36:04,960
i reckon it's one of those areas because

1060
00:36:07,430 --> 00:36:06,000
louie i think

1061
00:36:08,710 --> 00:36:07,440
for one or two of the questions said i

1062
00:36:10,630 --> 00:36:08,720
don't know much about that so can't

1063
00:36:12,310 --> 00:36:10,640
really answer i think this is one of

1064
00:36:14,790 --> 00:36:12,320
those where he probably knows a lot more

1065
00:36:16,230 --> 00:36:14,800
than he can go into but it's either a

1066
00:36:17,510 --> 00:36:16,240
case of

1067
00:36:19,829 --> 00:36:17,520
really

1068
00:36:22,069 --> 00:36:19,839
aggressive nda issues

1069
00:36:23,910 --> 00:36:22,079
or it's stuff that it was just purely

1070
00:36:25,670 --> 00:36:23,920
conversational and he doesn't want to

1071
00:36:27,270 --> 00:36:25,680
put it out there because

1072
00:36:28,950 --> 00:36:27,280
little in the way of evidence he could

1073
00:36:31,030 --> 00:36:28,960
produce to back anything up or point us

1074
00:36:32,550 --> 00:36:31,040
in that direction but as we've heard

1075
00:36:35,270 --> 00:36:32,560
that you know gary nolan coming out and

1076
00:36:36,230 --> 00:36:35,280
saying that 25 of the subjects in

1077
00:36:38,470 --> 00:36:36,240
certain

1078
00:36:40,150 --> 00:36:38,480
studies have died from

1079
00:36:42,230 --> 00:36:40,160
from various incidents one of the

1080
00:36:43,589 --> 00:36:42,240
incidents that was recorded in the book

1081
00:36:46,150 --> 00:36:43,599
and colin kelleher mentioned on our

1082
00:36:48,150 --> 00:36:46,160
podcast as well was a blue orb flew

1083
00:36:50,069 --> 00:36:48,160
through uh an official shoulders while

1084
00:36:52,790 --> 00:36:50,079
he was driving with his kid in the car

1085
00:36:55,349 --> 00:36:52,800
and very soon after got a very rare form

1086
00:36:57,750 --> 00:36:55,359
of cancer an illness and luckily they

1087
00:36:59,670 --> 00:36:57,760
caught it and they could cure them but

1088
00:37:01,990 --> 00:36:59,680
25 percent of the folks involved even if

1089
00:37:05,430 --> 00:37:02,000
that's four people and one's dead

1090
00:37:07,670 --> 00:37:05,440
is is 25 percent too many for this so

1091
00:37:09,349 --> 00:37:07,680
yeah that's an interesting one lou

1092
00:37:10,950 --> 00:37:09,359
around here talked about the northern

1093
00:37:12,470 --> 00:37:10,960
lights and kind of pointed out how once

1094
00:37:14,069 --> 00:37:12,480
they were considered supernatural but

1095
00:37:15,589 --> 00:37:14,079
now it's just a natural thing that we

1096
00:37:16,870 --> 00:37:15,599
understand it's a phenomena and there

1097
00:37:18,470 --> 00:37:16,880
are all these kind of you know the

1098
00:37:20,630 --> 00:37:18,480
electromagnetic fields interact and

1099
00:37:22,630 --> 00:37:20,640
voila uh

1100
00:37:23,990 --> 00:37:22,640
it's one of those um you know

1101
00:37:25,670 --> 00:37:24,000
understanding the monsters at the edge

1102
00:37:28,790 --> 00:37:25,680
of the map he spoke about it before with

1103
00:37:30,630 --> 00:37:28,800
these big sea creatures and things and

1104
00:37:32,230 --> 00:37:30,640
it's clear that there's a kind of a

1105
00:37:33,750 --> 00:37:32,240
natural order to things that we're not

1106
00:37:36,310 --> 00:37:33,760
seeing because we're not privy to this

1107
00:37:39,910 --> 00:37:36,320
classified data uh in the briefings but

1108
00:37:41,430 --> 00:37:39,920
lou repeatedly throughout this interview

1109
00:37:43,030 --> 00:37:41,440
talks about

1110
00:37:44,310 --> 00:37:43,040
the fact that

1111
00:37:45,670 --> 00:37:44,320
everyone that's had the classified

1112
00:37:48,310 --> 00:37:45,680
briefing in congress would have seen

1113
00:37:50,790 --> 00:37:48,320
what lou saw as part of atip

1114
00:37:52,310 --> 00:37:50,800
and i think that's very telling because

1115
00:37:53,910 --> 00:37:52,320
people keep thinking that these people

1116
00:37:56,310 --> 00:37:53,920
are being shown planes from a far

1117
00:37:58,470 --> 00:37:56,320
distance and are being confused uh which

1118
00:38:00,630 --> 00:37:58,480
is just crazy to think uh that so many

1119
00:38:03,030 --> 00:38:00,640
people could be you know hoodwinked like

1120
00:38:05,910 --> 00:38:03,040
this uh the truth is there's a

1121
00:38:06,870 --> 00:38:05,920
classified report that we didn't see

1122
00:38:09,670 --> 00:38:06,880
um

1123
00:38:11,829 --> 00:38:09,680
and we we got told these things exist

1124
00:38:14,950 --> 00:38:11,839
that there were 143 cases they couldn't

1125
00:38:18,710 --> 00:38:14,960
solve so beyond that the juicy details

1126
00:38:20,069 --> 00:38:18,720
and this is what congress got um so yeah

1127
00:38:22,470 --> 00:38:20,079
it's it's really cool that they're able

1128
00:38:24,710 --> 00:38:22,480
to talk about this link between the two

1129
00:38:27,109 --> 00:38:24,720
programs uh lou mentions the sticky

1130
00:38:28,550 --> 00:38:27,119
portfolio here which is a phrase that

1131
00:38:30,470 --> 00:38:28,560
kind of keeps coming up that's our

1132
00:38:32,230 --> 00:38:30,480
favorite of yours that i know it is yeah

1133
00:38:34,630 --> 00:38:32,240
uh just because it's it's the name for

1134
00:38:36,630 --> 00:38:34,640
the hitchhiker effect but it seems to

1135
00:38:38,710 --> 00:38:36,640
kind of allude to some more weirdness to

1136
00:38:43,349 --> 00:38:38,720
do with the phenomena that it just kind

1137
00:38:46,390 --> 00:38:43,359
of sticks to you as you investigate it

1138
00:38:47,910 --> 00:38:46,400
i remember as putting together our first

1139
00:38:50,550 --> 00:38:47,920
loyalist on the interview back in

1140
00:38:53,270 --> 00:38:50,560
february 2020 uh

1141
00:38:54,470 --> 00:38:53,280
february 2021 even and um i remember

1142
00:38:56,150 --> 00:38:54,480
that was something you were very keen on

1143
00:38:58,069 --> 00:38:56,160
bringing up at the time as well so yeah

1144
00:38:59,589 --> 00:38:58,079
i know i know gave a good answer to that

1145
00:39:02,069 --> 00:38:59,599
back then so you can check that one back

1146
00:39:03,750 --> 00:39:02,079
out in the archives folks um

1147
00:39:05,510 --> 00:39:03,760
for me that's pretty much all from the

1148
00:39:08,550 --> 00:39:05,520
low interview dan um is there anything

1149
00:39:09,589 --> 00:39:08,560
else you wanted to bring up for just

1150
00:39:11,510 --> 00:39:09,599
only the

1151
00:39:12,950 --> 00:39:11,520
the kind of idea at the end where lou

1152
00:39:15,190 --> 00:39:12,960
was talking about how disruptive

1153
00:39:16,870 --> 00:39:15,200
technology can you know throw the world

1154
00:39:18,390 --> 00:39:16,880
and throw development but he he

1155
00:39:19,910 --> 00:39:18,400
emphasized that

1156
00:39:21,829 --> 00:39:19,920
we can't just think of the stupidest

1157
00:39:23,349 --> 00:39:21,839
things that people can do with it it has

1158
00:39:25,589 --> 00:39:23,359
to be about the best things we can do

1159
00:39:27,750 --> 00:39:25,599
with it as well and it always is with

1160
00:39:30,630 --> 00:39:27,760
technology you know we have the atom

1161
00:39:32,950 --> 00:39:30,640
bomb we have nuclear power providing

1162
00:39:36,390 --> 00:39:32,960
light and power and heat to millions of

1163
00:39:38,390 --> 00:39:36,400
people um so we have to remember that

1164
00:39:39,829 --> 00:39:38,400
both those things can happen it's not

1165
00:39:42,310 --> 00:39:39,839
just about talking to people like

1166
00:39:44,230 --> 00:39:42,320
they're stupid we can we can either just

1167
00:39:46,710 --> 00:39:44,240
let this roll out and be awful or we can

1168
00:39:49,270 --> 00:39:46,720
lead by example and i think that's his

1169
00:39:52,310 --> 00:39:49,280
hope um and and it filled me with a a

1170
00:39:53,910 --> 00:39:52,320
positive vibe for 2022.

1171
00:39:56,230 --> 00:39:53,920
a couple of stories before we're going

1172
00:39:57,910 --> 00:39:56,240
to finish off chatting about the linda

1173
00:40:00,310 --> 00:39:57,920
won't have appearance on theories of

1174
00:40:01,990 --> 00:40:00,320
everything uh just before that two

1175
00:40:04,069 --> 00:40:02,000
stories at lincoln i suppose what we've

1176
00:40:07,349 --> 00:40:04,079
talked about with uh with lou and george

1177
00:40:08,710 --> 00:40:07,359
knapp is uh the swedish drones story um

1178
00:40:10,550 --> 00:40:08,720
a few of you got in touch and asked to

1179
00:40:12,390 --> 00:40:10,560
share our thoughts on this

1180
00:40:14,950 --> 00:40:12,400
there were basically drones buzzing

1181
00:40:16,390 --> 00:40:14,960
various sites around sweden um over the

1182
00:40:17,990 --> 00:40:16,400
course of a period of time and there's

1183
00:40:19,990 --> 00:40:18,000
been various investigations into it and

1184
00:40:22,710 --> 00:40:20,000
other reports over over the last couple

1185
00:40:24,710 --> 00:40:22,720
of years with siting sometimes 400 miles

1186
00:40:26,710 --> 00:40:24,720
apart um

1187
00:40:28,150 --> 00:40:26,720
very much an unknown

1188
00:40:29,670 --> 00:40:28,160
this is why i suppose we hadn't touched

1189
00:40:31,990 --> 00:40:29,680
on it earlier it wasn't big breaking

1190
00:40:33,829 --> 00:40:32,000
news but i imagine this is something far

1191
00:40:35,910 --> 00:40:33,839
more common than we we probably hear

1192
00:40:38,069 --> 00:40:35,920
about um from from various places around

1193
00:40:40,870 --> 00:40:38,079
the world but essentially there are

1194
00:40:43,270 --> 00:40:40,880
unknown objects potentially drones

1195
00:40:45,750 --> 00:40:43,280
potentially not um buzzing around

1196
00:40:47,670 --> 00:40:45,760
nuclear facilities down and i would

1197
00:40:49,589 --> 00:40:47,680
think it's very unlikely to be civilian

1198
00:40:51,270 --> 00:40:49,599
drones messing about with with nuclear

1199
00:40:53,510 --> 00:40:51,280
power stations in those sorts of areas

1200
00:40:55,190 --> 00:40:53,520
because

1201
00:40:57,190 --> 00:40:55,200
i i would have sort of expected in this

1202
00:40:58,950 --> 00:40:57,200
day and age some of those places to have

1203
00:41:00,870 --> 00:40:58,960
anti-drone measures

1204
00:41:03,030 --> 00:41:00,880
for for feed of someone crashing one

1205
00:41:04,470 --> 00:41:03,040
into you know one of those chimneys or

1206
00:41:07,349 --> 00:41:04,480
one of those buildings or doing some

1207
00:41:08,309 --> 00:41:07,359
damage or even for for spying reasons as

1208
00:41:09,910 --> 00:41:08,319
well

1209
00:41:11,510 --> 00:41:09,920
but

1210
00:41:13,270 --> 00:41:11,520
it's an interesting one we know the

1211
00:41:14,230 --> 00:41:13,280
connection with uap and you know the

1212
00:41:16,309 --> 00:41:14,240
nuclear you talked about the

1213
00:41:18,309 --> 00:41:16,319
anti-neutrino stuff before as well any

1214
00:41:19,910 --> 00:41:18,319
thoughts on this swedish drone stuff

1215
00:41:21,349 --> 00:41:19,920
uh it's it's interesting because you've

1216
00:41:22,790 --> 00:41:21,359
got everything with russia happening at

1217
00:41:25,670 --> 00:41:22,800
the moment and some people think that is

1218
00:41:27,349 --> 00:41:25,680
to do with that um all we can really say

1219
00:41:29,190 --> 00:41:27,359
is that there have been drones reported

1220
00:41:31,190 --> 00:41:29,200
whether that's you know people have used

1221
00:41:32,829 --> 00:41:31,200
the word quadcopter and fixed-wing

1222
00:41:36,630 --> 00:41:32,839
drones um

1223
00:41:38,870 --> 00:41:36,640
so it's not necessarily in the same way

1224
00:41:41,349 --> 00:41:38,880
as they would say oh the uap is swamp

1225
00:41:43,990 --> 00:41:41,359
gas um you know it's it might not be

1226
00:41:45,349 --> 00:41:44,000
dismissive um but it's just another one

1227
00:41:47,510 --> 00:41:45,359
of these unknowns that we kind of have

1228
00:41:50,309 --> 00:41:47,520
to like spin and not knee-jerk reaction

1229
00:41:52,790 --> 00:41:50,319
to it doesn't matter whether it's uap or

1230
00:41:54,950 --> 00:41:52,800
whether it's drones it still needs to be

1231
00:41:56,470 --> 00:41:54,960
figured out because it's potentially

1232
00:41:59,430 --> 00:41:56,480
really really dangerous it's a really

1233
00:42:00,390 --> 00:41:59,440
serious incident um i also heard that

1234
00:42:01,430 --> 00:42:00,400
it's

1235
00:42:02,870 --> 00:42:01,440
someone

1236
00:42:04,950 --> 00:42:02,880
uh talk about

1237
00:42:06,230 --> 00:42:04,960
maybe they're monitoring a potential

1238
00:42:07,589 --> 00:42:06,240
nuclear leak

1239
00:42:08,790 --> 00:42:07,599
uh from from a plant there which i

1240
00:42:11,510 --> 00:42:08,800
thought was an interesting idea because

1241
00:42:13,109 --> 00:42:11,520
you could do it like that um but

1242
00:42:14,870 --> 00:42:13,119
i mean to that i just say that sweden

1243
00:42:16,870 --> 00:42:14,880
were the country that kind of alerted

1244
00:42:18,950 --> 00:42:16,880
everyone to what happened in chernobyl

1245
00:42:20,230 --> 00:42:18,960
when they detected it so i you know

1246
00:42:22,230 --> 00:42:20,240
they've convinced me that they're not

1247
00:42:24,470 --> 00:42:22,240
the kind to sweep that under the rug

1248
00:42:27,030 --> 00:42:24,480
yeah and link to that as well i suppose

1249
00:42:30,390 --> 00:42:27,040
was the news coming out about havana

1250
00:42:33,030 --> 00:42:30,400
syndrome where reports from from the us

1251
00:42:35,109 --> 00:42:33,040
are indicating more than likely that

1252
00:42:37,109 --> 00:42:35,119
it's not an attack by a foreign

1253
00:42:38,309 --> 00:42:37,119
adversary now again this doesn't

1254
00:42:40,309 --> 00:42:38,319
automatically lean it to being

1255
00:42:42,069 --> 00:42:40,319
extraterrestrial in nature or something

1256
00:42:43,349 --> 00:42:42,079
could still be very much a human

1257
00:42:45,190 --> 00:42:43,359
explanation

1258
00:42:46,390 --> 00:42:45,200
or a phenomenon on the earth that we're

1259
00:42:48,710 --> 00:42:46,400
not aware of

1260
00:42:50,309 --> 00:42:48,720
but it's havana syndrome is one of those

1261
00:42:52,390 --> 00:42:50,319
terms i think we're going to hear more

1262
00:42:54,470 --> 00:42:52,400
of in the coming year because i think

1263
00:42:55,910 --> 00:42:54,480
it's got enough mainstream traction over

1264
00:42:57,829 --> 00:42:55,920
the last year or so

1265
00:42:59,990 --> 00:42:57,839
that there will be serious journalists

1266
00:43:02,150 --> 00:43:00,000
looking to pick up this story what my

1267
00:43:03,510 --> 00:43:02,160
hope is is is that i mean hopefully it

1268
00:43:05,670 --> 00:43:03,520
doesn't happen to anyone else because it

1269
00:43:07,829 --> 00:43:05,680
sounds pretty horrendous and pretty

1270
00:43:09,349 --> 00:43:07,839
horrific but if you get some serious

1271
00:43:11,430 --> 00:43:09,359
journalists who are picking this up from

1272
00:43:14,309 --> 00:43:11,440
a foreign affairs point of view or a

1273
00:43:16,870 --> 00:43:14,319
major political point of view that they

1274
00:43:18,790 --> 00:43:16,880
just by being involved with it

1275
00:43:21,750 --> 00:43:18,800
get some breadcrumbs or drawn into the

1276
00:43:23,670 --> 00:43:21,760
ufo topic and subject as part of it and

1277
00:43:25,670 --> 00:43:23,680
they they look at the links they look at

1278
00:43:28,069 --> 00:43:25,680
the potential and we get some serious

1279
00:43:29,990 --> 00:43:28,079
reporting from people who otherwise may

1280
00:43:32,630 --> 00:43:30,000
or may not have reported on it like more

1281
00:43:34,069 --> 00:43:32,640
roscoe tucks you know as much as ross is

1282
00:43:35,349 --> 00:43:34,079
larger than life in a character and

1283
00:43:38,150 --> 00:43:35,359
great to talk to

1284
00:43:40,150 --> 00:43:38,160
there might even be some more drier

1285
00:43:42,390 --> 00:43:40,160
you know

1286
00:43:43,349 --> 00:43:42,400
less charismatic people

1287
00:43:45,510 --> 00:43:43,359
out there

1288
00:43:47,190 --> 00:43:45,520
who start reporting on ufos

1289
00:43:48,630 --> 00:43:47,200
in a very very serious way as well which

1290
00:43:51,109 --> 00:43:48,640
could only be a good thing for the

1291
00:43:53,510 --> 00:43:51,119
subject yeah yeah potentially um the

1292
00:43:55,670 --> 00:43:53,520
news was interesting it was

1293
00:43:56,870 --> 00:43:55,680
uh that they they looked at about a

1294
00:43:58,710 --> 00:43:56,880
thousand cases and apparently the

1295
00:44:00,230 --> 00:43:58,720
majority were explained by stress or

1296
00:44:02,950 --> 00:44:00,240
natural causes which i guess would be

1297
00:44:05,030 --> 00:44:02,960
the cricket explanation that they uh had

1298
00:44:07,270 --> 00:44:05,040
a little while back um they're still

1299
00:44:09,430 --> 00:44:07,280
looking into about two dozen cases

1300
00:44:12,150 --> 00:44:09,440
where they say that foreign

1301
00:44:13,910 --> 00:44:12,160
state can't be ruled out but

1302
00:44:15,670 --> 00:44:13,920
again it seems to be that we've got a

1303
00:44:18,710 --> 00:44:15,680
data pile that can largely be explained

1304
00:44:21,349 --> 00:44:18,720
by prosaic means you know akin to

1305
00:44:23,829 --> 00:44:21,359
drone kind of data but there are these

1306
00:44:25,109 --> 00:44:23,839
outliers that are really intriguing and

1307
00:44:26,870 --> 00:44:25,119
seem to kind of

1308
00:44:29,349 --> 00:44:26,880
signify something new and something we

1309
00:44:30,630 --> 00:44:29,359
don't understand and as we look into

1310
00:44:32,230 --> 00:44:30,640
this more we're probably going to start

1311
00:44:33,990 --> 00:44:32,240
learning a bit more about you know this

1312
00:44:36,309 --> 00:44:34,000
phenomena what microwaves do to us so on

1313
00:44:38,870 --> 00:44:36,319
and so forth but i was relieved to see

1314
00:44:40,950 --> 00:44:38,880
that cia director um

1315
00:44:43,030 --> 00:44:40,960
said that basically they're not done at

1316
00:44:44,630 --> 00:44:43,040
all um so there's more news ahead of us

1317
00:44:47,589 --> 00:44:44,640
about that

1318
00:44:49,510 --> 00:44:47,599
excellent and to finish off dan uh linda

1319
00:44:51,270 --> 00:44:49,520
multan how appeared on the theories of

1320
00:44:52,550 --> 00:44:51,280
everything podcasts we interviewed and

1321
00:44:54,630 --> 00:44:52,560
you know what we've been very lucky to

1322
00:44:57,349 --> 00:44:54,640
keep in touch with the the very very

1323
00:44:59,670 --> 00:44:57,359
lovely cut dry mungo of of said youtube

1324
00:45:01,270 --> 00:44:59,680
channel it just passed 100 000

1325
00:45:04,150 --> 00:45:01,280
subscribers a couple of weeks ago it

1326
00:45:07,190 --> 00:45:04,160
seems and already it's 131 000. that's

1327
00:45:10,069 --> 00:45:07,200
just taking off and kurtza a fantastic

1328
00:45:11,990 --> 00:45:10,079
interviewer he has a wonderful knowledge

1329
00:45:12,870 --> 00:45:12,000
and patience for a range of subjects as

1330
00:45:15,190 --> 00:45:12,880
well

1331
00:45:16,710 --> 00:45:15,200
and for all the various topics and sub

1332
00:45:19,109 --> 00:45:16,720
topics and subjects i can't even

1333
00:45:20,470 --> 00:45:19,119
pronounce half the the areas to do them

1334
00:45:23,430 --> 00:45:20,480
justice

1335
00:45:25,349 --> 00:45:23,440
he has an interest now in in ufos and

1336
00:45:27,510 --> 00:45:25,359
he's bringing that into the conversation

1337
00:45:29,750 --> 00:45:27,520
in his own unique way

1338
00:45:32,150 --> 00:45:29,760
needless to say if you look at his page

1339
00:45:35,030 --> 00:45:32,160
i've just opened it quickly just now if

1340
00:45:37,910 --> 00:45:35,040
you look at some of his other videos

1341
00:45:41,109 --> 00:45:37,920
his most popular videos

1342
00:45:44,950 --> 00:45:41,119
tend to be the ufo consciousness uap

1343
00:45:48,309 --> 00:45:44,960
tommed along um 315 thousand

1344
00:45:50,230 --> 00:45:48,319
uh linda martin how in one day is on 64

1345
00:45:52,470 --> 00:45:50,240
000 whereas the video uploaded the day

1346
00:45:54,870 --> 00:45:52,480
before is on six and a half thousand so

1347
00:45:56,790 --> 00:45:54,880
there is a huge audience it's a

1348
00:45:59,589 --> 00:45:56,800
testament to i think both kurt's

1349
00:46:01,910 --> 00:45:59,599
approach because he talks to you know

1350
00:46:03,829 --> 00:46:01,920
very serious people about very in very

1351
00:46:06,150 --> 00:46:03,839
serious ways you know he he approaches

1352
00:46:08,390 --> 00:46:06,160
with curiosity and and

1353
00:46:10,630 --> 00:46:08,400
kind of talks out the ideas there's no

1354
00:46:12,309 --> 00:46:10,640
judgment kind of in there and and i love

1355
00:46:13,589 --> 00:46:12,319
watching that and

1356
00:46:16,069 --> 00:46:13,599
seeing

1357
00:46:18,230 --> 00:46:16,079
that those videos uh you know more

1358
00:46:19,910 --> 00:46:18,240
viewed i i think that kind of shows that

1359
00:46:21,910 --> 00:46:19,920
there's a lot of people out there who

1360
00:46:22,790 --> 00:46:21,920
want this serious conversation

1361
00:46:24,390 --> 00:46:22,800
but

1362
00:46:27,109 --> 00:46:24,400
there's only places like this that they

1363
00:46:28,470 --> 00:46:27,119
can find it right um you know these

1364
00:46:29,829 --> 00:46:28,480
people are going to be served as we go

1365
00:46:31,030 --> 00:46:29,839
forward and there's just more and more

1366
00:46:33,030 --> 00:46:31,040
stuff like this

1367
00:46:34,630 --> 00:46:33,040
yeah again just comparison that is

1368
00:46:37,910 --> 00:46:34,640
amazing as i look into it like ross

1369
00:46:39,349 --> 00:46:37,920
coulthard three months ago is on 920 000

1370
00:46:41,750 --> 00:46:39,359
views that's going to hit a million soon

1371
00:46:44,390 --> 00:46:41,760
enough at norm chomsky that was the

1372
00:46:46,790 --> 00:46:44,400
month before is on 48 000.

1373
00:46:49,030 --> 00:46:46,800
so it's kind of a shame as well because

1374
00:46:50,470 --> 00:46:49,040
folks like noam chomsky there are some

1375
00:46:52,309 --> 00:46:50,480
really interesting ideas in the

1376
00:46:54,550 --> 00:46:52,319
discussions about consciousness and

1377
00:46:55,829 --> 00:46:54,560
society and they're challenging like a

1378
00:46:57,910 --> 00:46:55,839
lot of stuff i have to go back and

1379
00:46:59,829 --> 00:46:57,920
listen to twice but they're fantastic

1380
00:47:01,589 --> 00:46:59,839
you know they're really kind of fruitful

1381
00:47:03,589 --> 00:47:01,599
in the way you think about things

1382
00:47:05,190 --> 00:47:03,599
yeah if you've got an interest in ufos

1383
00:47:06,710 --> 00:47:05,200
go and check out kurt's channel because

1384
00:47:09,510 --> 00:47:06,720
he's got some phenomenal interviews on

1385
00:47:11,190 --> 00:47:09,520
there as well but there are

1386
00:47:12,710 --> 00:47:11,200
countless other guests that you may or

1387
00:47:13,910 --> 00:47:12,720
may not know the names of i'm sure dan

1388
00:47:15,829 --> 00:47:13,920
will throw out some suggestions if you

1389
00:47:17,829 --> 00:47:15,839
hit him up if you've got any particular

1390
00:47:19,910 --> 00:47:17,839
areas you want to hear about um that

1391
00:47:22,630 --> 00:47:19,920
curt has done some fantastic interviews

1392
00:47:25,270 --> 00:47:22,640
with he's got a great unique style he's

1393
00:47:27,589 --> 00:47:25,280
very very curious about everything as

1394
00:47:29,670 --> 00:47:27,599
the channel says and he's got a

1395
00:47:31,510 --> 00:47:29,680
wonderful way of asking questions i wish

1396
00:47:34,549 --> 00:47:31,520
i said before dan i'm not joking i wish

1397
00:47:36,790 --> 00:47:34,559
i was as articulate and you know a

1398
00:47:38,549 --> 00:47:36,800
quarter as intelligent as he is to to do

1399
00:47:40,069 --> 00:47:38,559
that um we're not going to go into all

1400
00:47:41,910 --> 00:47:40,079
the controversy surrounding how the

1401
00:47:43,270 --> 00:47:41,920
interview ended folks you can go and

1402
00:47:46,549 --> 00:47:43,280
watch it and you've no doubt heard

1403
00:47:48,390 --> 00:47:46,559
enough about it online um yourself

1404
00:47:52,549 --> 00:47:48,400
the interview

1405
00:47:53,910 --> 00:47:52,559
put a well-known figure in ufology

1406
00:47:55,190 --> 00:47:53,920
in the hot seat

1407
00:47:57,430 --> 00:47:55,200
and

1408
00:48:00,390 --> 00:47:57,440
how do i say this dan um

1409
00:48:01,990 --> 00:48:00,400
he asked very fair questions

1410
00:48:03,270 --> 00:48:02,000
and

1411
00:48:05,430 --> 00:48:03,280
i don't think the person being

1412
00:48:06,950 --> 00:48:05,440
interviewed necessarily appreciated all

1413
00:48:08,630 --> 00:48:06,960
of the questions

1414
00:48:10,790 --> 00:48:08,640
this is why and i'll just say this

1415
00:48:12,790 --> 00:48:10,800
sometimes people ask me why don't you

1416
00:48:13,910 --> 00:48:12,800
have this person on the podcast or this

1417
00:48:15,910 --> 00:48:13,920
person

1418
00:48:17,750 --> 00:48:15,920
i think there's an element of and this

1419
00:48:21,190 --> 00:48:17,760
isn't just my show but other shows as

1420
00:48:23,030 --> 00:48:21,200
well there are individuals in this topic

1421
00:48:25,829 --> 00:48:23,040
and subject who who just don't put

1422
00:48:27,750 --> 00:48:25,839
themselves out anymore on most podcasts

1423
00:48:29,349 --> 00:48:27,760
not because they're too small or they

1424
00:48:30,790 --> 00:48:29,359
don't want to have a conversation it can

1425
00:48:33,990 --> 00:48:30,800
either be one they're not being paid to

1426
00:48:36,549 --> 00:48:34,000
do it or two they it doesn't fit their

1427
00:48:38,470 --> 00:48:36,559
narrative or how they want to talk about

1428
00:48:40,230 --> 00:48:38,480
the subject and when someone from

1429
00:48:41,510 --> 00:48:40,240
outside the subject like cart which is

1430
00:48:45,750 --> 00:48:41,520
fantastic

1431
00:48:47,910 --> 00:48:45,760
comes into question and really probe on

1432
00:48:50,230 --> 00:48:47,920
why don't you have this evidence or what

1433
00:48:51,910 --> 00:48:50,240
about this rather than maybe people like

1434
00:48:54,309 --> 00:48:51,920
myself and yourself dan who would take

1435
00:48:56,630 --> 00:48:54,319
things a little bit more at face value

1436
00:48:58,150 --> 00:48:56,640
cut looks for more and others like cut

1437
00:49:00,309 --> 00:48:58,160
look for more i would think a brian

1438
00:49:03,190 --> 00:49:00,319
keating and eric weinstein these guys

1439
00:49:05,510 --> 00:49:03,200
again would be very similar and the

1440
00:49:07,109 --> 00:49:05,520
interview kind of went as as i expected

1441
00:49:08,150 --> 00:49:07,119
it probably would

1442
00:49:11,190 --> 00:49:08,160
given

1443
00:49:13,030 --> 00:49:11,200
really

1444
00:49:13,750 --> 00:49:13,040
polite here and careful with how i word

1445
00:49:22,150 --> 00:49:13,760
it

1446
00:49:24,630 --> 00:49:22,160
yeah so i i think there are again some

1447
00:49:26,950 --> 00:49:24,640
ufo celebrities let's just let me just

1448
00:49:29,349 --> 00:49:26,960
name one okay steven greer won't come on

1449
00:49:31,030 --> 00:49:29,359
this podcast and other podcasts like it

1450
00:49:32,309 --> 00:49:31,040
because they won't like the questions to

1451
00:49:33,750 --> 00:49:32,319
get they won't like the listener

1452
00:49:35,349 --> 00:49:33,760
questions to get

1453
00:49:37,910 --> 00:49:35,359
i would be very objective i'd be

1454
00:49:39,349 --> 00:49:37,920
respectful but we know there's certain

1455
00:49:41,349 --> 00:49:39,359
things that aren't going to get answered

1456
00:49:44,150 --> 00:49:41,359
and yeah that's that's kind of how it

1457
00:49:47,589 --> 00:49:44,160
goes um these people make a lot of money

1458
00:49:49,270 --> 00:49:47,599
and are very comfortable living like

1459
00:49:50,710 --> 00:49:49,280
into the tens of thousands of hundreds

1460
00:49:51,829 --> 00:49:50,720
of thousands of dollars as we've seen

1461
00:49:53,430 --> 00:49:51,839
from some people's accounts that have

1462
00:49:54,470 --> 00:49:53,440
been published and that that's great

1463
00:49:56,790 --> 00:49:54,480
they've made

1464
00:49:57,990 --> 00:49:56,800
made their money doing that but

1465
00:49:59,589 --> 00:49:58,000
i think there comes a point does the

1466
00:50:03,109 --> 00:49:59,599
truth stop and

1467
00:50:05,109 --> 00:50:03,119
their truth begins and takes over

1468
00:50:06,870 --> 00:50:05,119
yeah if i made sense with that dan i

1469
00:50:09,030 --> 00:50:06,880
don't want to just ramble on here

1470
00:50:11,670 --> 00:50:09,040
um yeah i'd rather not talk about it to

1471
00:50:15,270 --> 00:50:12,950
are you doing an impression of linda at

1472
00:50:18,150 --> 00:50:15,280
the end of that interview no i i just i

1473
00:50:20,470 --> 00:50:18,160
i don't i don't think drama is content

1474
00:50:22,069 --> 00:50:20,480
so i don't want to focus on

1475
00:50:24,870 --> 00:50:22,079
the good information from the interview

1476
00:50:26,790 --> 00:50:24,880
which i think what was i had plenty uh

1477
00:50:28,150 --> 00:50:26,800
we we had um

1478
00:50:29,829 --> 00:50:28,160
you asked a really interesting question

1479
00:50:33,030 --> 00:50:29,839
about linda's kind of

1480
00:50:34,790 --> 00:50:33,040
position in the ufology and how she

1481
00:50:36,710 --> 00:50:34,800
feels that's changed over the decades

1482
00:50:38,470 --> 00:50:36,720
because it has you know as as we've had

1483
00:50:40,069 --> 00:50:38,480
the internet people put different things

1484
00:50:42,549 --> 00:50:40,079
up make cases kind of different

1485
00:50:43,349 --> 00:50:42,559
approaches and different evidence um

1486
00:50:44,230 --> 00:50:43,359
and

1487
00:50:46,710 --> 00:50:44,240
she

1488
00:50:48,790 --> 00:50:46,720
what was the phrase uh it was ufology

1489
00:50:50,390 --> 00:50:48,800
means nothing to me which i thought was

1490
00:50:55,349 --> 00:50:50,400
pretty provocative i wanted to ask you

1491
00:50:58,230 --> 00:50:56,630
i think

1492
00:50:59,750 --> 00:50:58,240
that we know people that don't like the

1493
00:51:01,109 --> 00:50:59,760
term ufology as well don't we and

1494
00:51:02,790 --> 00:51:01,119
there's listeners that get in touch and

1495
00:51:04,069 --> 00:51:02,800
ufology has a different meaning to

1496
00:51:05,829 --> 00:51:04,079
different people i think it's like when

1497
00:51:07,109 --> 00:51:05,839
i ask that disclosure what does it mean

1498
00:51:09,910 --> 00:51:07,119
to you it's like

1499
00:51:11,750 --> 00:51:09,920
i i don't see ufology personally when i

1500
00:51:14,230 --> 00:51:11,760
talk about ufology it's just anyone

1501
00:51:16,470 --> 00:51:14,240
who's involved in the subject of ufos

1502
00:51:19,109 --> 00:51:16,480
but i think the way linda took it was

1503
00:51:21,030 --> 00:51:19,119
ufology as in that old school of you

1504
00:51:22,710 --> 00:51:21,040
just write books on aliens and you've

1505
00:51:24,950 --> 00:51:22,720
got a narrative and

1506
00:51:27,109 --> 00:51:24,960
but she does and and she she goes to the

1507
00:51:28,790 --> 00:51:27,119
expos in the conferences and and has the

1508
00:51:30,549 --> 00:51:28,800
talks and

1509
00:51:32,710 --> 00:51:30,559
is on documentaries like the observers

1510
00:51:34,790 --> 00:51:32,720
with the same talking heads you know the

1511
00:51:35,910 --> 00:51:34,800
the griers richard dolans

1512
00:51:37,589 --> 00:51:35,920
um

1513
00:51:39,990 --> 00:51:37,599
these types of people so

1514
00:51:40,950 --> 00:51:40,000
i i didn't totally

1515
00:51:43,510 --> 00:51:40,960
get

1516
00:51:46,069 --> 00:51:43,520
why she said ufology means nothing to me

1517
00:51:47,589 --> 00:51:46,079
i'm sure if you again no problem with

1518
00:51:49,910 --> 00:51:47,599
anyone making money on this topic that's

1519
00:51:51,430 --> 00:51:49,920
not my point but ufologies made linda

1520
00:51:53,109 --> 00:51:51,440
moulton how a very comfortable living

1521
00:51:55,030 --> 00:51:53,119
and lifestyle over the years it's

1522
00:51:56,549 --> 00:51:55,040
allowed us to travel the world which

1523
00:51:58,390 --> 00:51:56,559
would be incredible you know dan you're

1524
00:51:59,829 --> 00:51:58,400
getting to do that for a very small

1525
00:52:03,030 --> 00:51:59,839
taste of that and people have been lucky

1526
00:52:06,230 --> 00:52:03,040
that they've helped you do that as well

1527
00:52:08,230 --> 00:52:06,240
to be involved in the subject though and

1528
00:52:09,349 --> 00:52:08,240
i just i was a little not disrespectful

1529
00:52:10,870 --> 00:52:09,359
to me but just to the question of you

1530
00:52:13,030 --> 00:52:10,880
know ufology means nothing that's a

1531
00:52:15,349 --> 00:52:13,040
nothing answer i would have absolutely

1532
00:52:18,069 --> 00:52:15,359
probed more on that as to well as

1533
00:52:19,829 --> 00:52:18,079
ufology not bought your house and can

1534
00:52:21,270 --> 00:52:19,839
you imagine justin bieber saying music

1535
00:52:23,750 --> 00:52:21,280
means nothing to me

1536
00:52:25,589 --> 00:52:23,760
yeah that's it yeah great analogy yeah

1537
00:52:27,430 --> 00:52:25,599
that's it it's like well it does it's

1538
00:52:30,630 --> 00:52:27,440
maybe you don't like the the way people

1539
00:52:32,470 --> 00:52:30,640
stigmatize ufology but it's it's what

1540
00:52:34,230 --> 00:52:32,480
you've been a part of and you're

1541
00:52:35,670 --> 00:52:34,240
inextricably linked with that's going to

1542
00:52:38,710 --> 00:52:35,680
be your legacy

1543
00:52:40,710 --> 00:52:38,720
um it got you on documentaries and it's

1544
00:52:42,390 --> 00:52:40,720
got you attached to no doubt many other

1545
00:52:44,870 --> 00:52:42,400
tv series that you've been involved with

1546
00:52:47,030 --> 00:52:44,880
and ancient aliens you tell me ancient

1547
00:52:50,230 --> 00:52:47,040
aliens isn't ufology

1548
00:52:53,190 --> 00:52:50,240
she was happy to talk about that and

1549
00:52:54,870 --> 00:52:53,200
her investigative journalism

1550
00:52:56,710 --> 00:52:54,880
again i suppose someone like cut would

1551
00:52:57,750 --> 00:52:56,720
be going in with like i would have as

1552
00:52:59,670 --> 00:52:57,760
well

1553
00:53:01,670 --> 00:52:59,680
investigative journalism with anonymous

1554
00:53:03,670 --> 00:53:01,680
sources is really really difficult when

1555
00:53:04,870 --> 00:53:03,680
that's all you've got to to quote on

1556
00:53:06,710 --> 00:53:04,880
this especially with some of the more

1557
00:53:08,630 --> 00:53:06,720
incredible claims as well but yeah yeah

1558
00:53:10,069 --> 00:53:08,640
100 agree i think it would have been

1559
00:53:12,790 --> 00:53:10,079
interesting to hear about how she vets

1560
00:53:14,390 --> 00:53:12,800
those sources um and maybe kind of

1561
00:53:16,630 --> 00:53:14,400
distinguishes between information she

1562
00:53:17,910 --> 00:53:16,640
thinks is unreliable and reliable not

1563
00:53:18,870 --> 00:53:17,920
just because

1564
00:53:20,710 --> 00:53:18,880
you know

1565
00:53:22,630 --> 00:53:20,720
you want to catch her out but i want to

1566
00:53:23,910 --> 00:53:22,640
know those methods as well you know it

1567
00:53:25,190 --> 00:53:23,920
might be helpful to the community it

1568
00:53:26,470 --> 00:53:25,200
might be helpful to let somebody know

1569
00:53:27,750 --> 00:53:26,480
who maybe is

1570
00:53:29,430 --> 00:53:27,760
thinking about coming out and telling

1571
00:53:30,549 --> 00:53:29,440
their story what methods they can use to

1572
00:53:32,710 --> 00:53:30,559
kind of communicate these things

1573
00:53:35,270 --> 00:53:32,720
securely even just like what's what's

1574
00:53:37,510 --> 00:53:35,280
linda learned in our time like and that

1575
00:53:38,950 --> 00:53:37,520
was partly part of my question you know

1576
00:53:41,190 --> 00:53:38,960
what what have you learned as well in

1577
00:53:42,790 --> 00:53:41,200
2022 and things have changed and the

1578
00:53:45,750 --> 00:53:42,800
landscape's different to what it was in

1579
00:53:47,910 --> 00:53:45,760
the 80s and 90s even the 2000s

1580
00:53:50,069 --> 00:53:47,920
you know what could she pass on in terms

1581
00:53:51,349 --> 00:53:50,079
of knowledge and experience and

1582
00:53:53,190 --> 00:53:51,359
what are some of the pitfalls and

1583
00:53:55,109 --> 00:53:53,200
mistakes that she has made i mean god

1584
00:53:56,470 --> 00:53:55,119
dan i could dream of any number of

1585
00:53:58,470 --> 00:53:56,480
mistakes i've made in the early days

1586
00:54:00,390 --> 00:53:58,480
making this podcast from like an

1587
00:54:02,630 --> 00:54:00,400
interviewing style or questioning style

1588
00:54:04,230 --> 00:54:02,640
or technical style how many times have i

1589
00:54:07,430 --> 00:54:04,240
released an episode in the early days

1590
00:54:09,190 --> 00:54:07,440
where i never had my the correct mic

1591
00:54:10,790 --> 00:54:09,200
attached to the recording so it was

1592
00:54:12,390 --> 00:54:10,800
essentially recording from a webcam that

1593
00:54:13,270 --> 00:54:12,400
was too far away from me and sounded

1594
00:54:14,790 --> 00:54:13,280
awful

1595
00:54:16,150 --> 00:54:14,800
it's it's these little things where you

1596
00:54:18,150 --> 00:54:16,160
get out okay you learn from it and you

1597
00:54:20,150 --> 00:54:18,160
move on and people would be interested

1598
00:54:21,750 --> 00:54:20,160
in that but i think

1599
00:54:23,589 --> 00:54:21,760
maybe too much ego

1600
00:54:26,630 --> 00:54:23,599
involved at this point for for some

1601
00:54:27,829 --> 00:54:26,640
people like linda grier others

1602
00:54:32,309 --> 00:54:27,839
to

1603
00:54:35,430 --> 00:54:32,319
mistakes or they have made mistakes

1604
00:54:37,190 --> 00:54:35,440
yeah and it is i think a part of it is

1605
00:54:39,670 --> 00:54:37,200
and you and i spend a lot of time doing

1606
00:54:42,230 --> 00:54:39,680
this just forming questions in a way

1607
00:54:44,150 --> 00:54:42,240
where we kind of try and get an actual

1608
00:54:44,870 --> 00:54:44,160
answer as opposed to just a reaction you

1609
00:54:47,510 --> 00:54:44,880
know

1610
00:54:49,670 --> 00:54:47,520
and it's not always perfect no no no um

1611
00:54:51,109 --> 00:54:49,680
but that's kind of the issue with live

1612
00:54:52,390 --> 00:54:51,119
streaming when you kind of take

1613
00:54:54,789 --> 00:54:52,400
questions from the audience sometimes

1614
00:54:57,510 --> 00:54:54,799
they aren't phrased in the best way um

1615
00:54:59,510 --> 00:54:57,520
and they can be misconstrued you know

1616
00:55:02,470 --> 00:54:59,520
yeah um but

1617
00:55:04,309 --> 00:55:02,480
it it was what it was i i hope continues

1618
00:55:07,430 --> 00:55:04,319
to do the ufo podcast that he's been

1619
00:55:09,750 --> 00:55:07,440
doing he has um obviously contacts and a

1620
00:55:11,910 --> 00:55:09,760
huge name and when you see someone like

1621
00:55:15,109 --> 00:55:11,920
kurt's channel with 130 plus thousand

1622
00:55:17,670 --> 00:55:15,119
subscribers he will get people

1623
00:55:19,910 --> 00:55:17,680
far easier to go on those channels than

1624
00:55:21,670 --> 00:55:19,920
than we can or other channels that do do

1625
00:55:24,470 --> 00:55:21,680
what we do as well so not that we don't

1626
00:55:25,750 --> 00:55:24,480
keep asking but his his next guest or

1627
00:55:27,670 --> 00:55:25,760
one of his next guests i should say i'm

1628
00:55:29,829 --> 00:55:27,680
not sure if it's his next next guest uh

1629
00:55:32,230 --> 00:55:29,839
is salvatore pai uh the author of the

1630
00:55:33,910 --> 00:55:32,240
ufo patent and there's been a lot of

1631
00:55:35,670 --> 00:55:33,920
discussion about those so that's sure to

1632
00:55:37,349 --> 00:55:35,680
be a really interesting discussion about

1633
00:55:38,870 --> 00:55:37,359
whether that system works whether it's

1634
00:55:40,549 --> 00:55:38,880
demonstrated you know what that guy's

1635
00:55:43,190 --> 00:55:40,559
doing now uh because he went to work for

1636
00:55:45,670 --> 00:55:43,200
the air force after this so very curious

1637
00:55:47,430 --> 00:55:45,680
kind of you know story there and i'm

1638
00:55:49,030 --> 00:55:47,440
sure that'll be enlightening

1639
00:55:50,630 --> 00:55:49,040
yeah and on that interview if you've

1640
00:55:52,870 --> 00:55:50,640
listened to it we discussed it in the

1641
00:55:54,470 --> 00:55:52,880
discord chat with with the listeners and

1642
00:55:56,150 --> 00:55:54,480
it's split opinion on different people

1643
00:55:57,510 --> 00:55:56,160
and again it's fine to disagree folks

1644
00:55:59,430 --> 00:55:57,520
some of you listening to this will agree

1645
00:56:01,270 --> 00:55:59,440
and disagree with with what dan and i

1646
00:56:03,510 --> 00:56:01,280
think about it as well it's

1647
00:56:05,910 --> 00:56:03,520
i suppose one of the reasons again we we

1648
00:56:07,510 --> 00:56:05,920
have a range of content on this topic

1649
00:56:09,589 --> 00:56:07,520
and you can go and listen to other shows

1650
00:56:12,230 --> 00:56:09,599
and channels and and put those kind of

1651
00:56:14,230 --> 00:56:12,240
opinions together as well so yeah well

1652
00:56:16,789 --> 00:56:14,240
done to cut for that interview um fair

1653
00:56:19,589 --> 00:56:16,799
play to linda for going on that channel

1654
00:56:21,030 --> 00:56:19,599
um and putting herself out there to to a

1655
00:56:23,030 --> 00:56:21,040
large audience

1656
00:56:24,390 --> 00:56:23,040
for for that conversation and discussion

1657
00:56:25,670 --> 00:56:24,400
as well so yeah

1658
00:56:27,430 --> 00:56:25,680
yeah i'd love to hear people's thoughts

1659
00:56:29,349 --> 00:56:27,440
on it there were some interesting things

1660
00:56:32,230 --> 00:56:29,359
mentioned about the bismuth magnesium

1661
00:56:34,870 --> 00:56:32,240
arts parts um they're kind of the chain

1662
00:56:36,230 --> 00:56:34,880
of custody of that over time has been

1663
00:56:37,589 --> 00:56:36,240
kind of all over the place you know in

1664
00:56:39,430 --> 00:56:37,599
many different articles and things like

1665
00:56:40,789 --> 00:56:39,440
that but in this interview you kind of

1666
00:56:41,750 --> 00:56:40,799
get the whole thing from linda's point

1667
00:56:43,589 --> 00:56:41,760
of view

1668
00:56:46,470 --> 00:56:43,599
and she talks about why she sold it to

1669
00:56:48,150 --> 00:56:46,480
ttsa uh which i'd never heard her kind

1670
00:56:49,430 --> 00:56:48,160
of say before but she she just explained

1671
00:56:51,030 --> 00:56:49,440
that basically she doesn't have the

1672
00:56:52,950 --> 00:56:51,040
capability to do the testing on it

1673
00:56:54,390 --> 00:56:52,960
herself so when the army kind of say

1674
00:56:57,030 --> 00:56:54,400
yeah hey we can throw terror here to

1675
00:56:58,789 --> 00:56:57,040
that and kind of see see what happens um

1676
00:57:00,789 --> 00:56:58,799
she thought hey maybe that's a good idea

1677
00:57:03,510 --> 00:57:00,799
she even alluded to maybe still having a

1678
00:57:05,270 --> 00:57:03,520
piece of that um so that if they prove

1679
00:57:07,430 --> 00:57:05,280
that that's true then she kind of still

1680
00:57:09,270 --> 00:57:07,440
has a piece to go public with uh which i

1681
00:57:10,950 --> 00:57:09,280
thought was kind of you know interesting

1682
00:57:12,870 --> 00:57:10,960
um i'd like to ask her if she does

1683
00:57:14,630 --> 00:57:12,880
definitely have a piece and see it

1684
00:57:15,910 --> 00:57:14,640
and it's also fair dan to say that you

1685
00:57:17,670 --> 00:57:15,920
know she sold it for was it thirty

1686
00:57:19,670 --> 00:57:17,680
thousand dollars three thousand dollars

1687
00:57:21,589 --> 00:57:19,680
yeah yeah so again in your late

1688
00:57:23,109 --> 00:57:21,599
seventies you don't have that equipment

1689
00:57:25,190 --> 00:57:23,119
you've got a cool

1690
00:57:27,430 --> 00:57:25,200
piece of something potentially very

1691
00:57:30,390 --> 00:57:27,440
special potentially not

1692
00:57:32,069 --> 00:57:30,400
then why not hand it off take take that

1693
00:57:33,349 --> 00:57:32,079
money that you can

1694
00:57:38,870 --> 00:57:33,359
and

1695
00:57:42,069 --> 00:57:38,880
stuff that you would you would look to

1696
00:57:43,670 --> 00:57:42,079
do so um so yeah so i would recommend

1697
00:57:45,829 --> 00:57:43,680
people go and check out check out kurt's

1698
00:57:47,510 --> 00:57:45,839
channel subscribe he's a really good guy

1699
00:57:50,230 --> 00:57:47,520
and um please let us know your thoughts

1700
00:57:51,829 --> 00:57:50,240
and we'll discuss them in future um dan

1701
00:57:53,829 --> 00:57:51,839
just before we finish up anything you

1702
00:57:55,349 --> 00:57:53,839
want to

1703
00:57:56,789 --> 00:57:55,359
no i think that's everything i guess

1704
00:57:58,230 --> 00:57:56,799
we'll do another breaking news you know

1705
00:57:59,430 --> 00:57:58,240
in an hour if there anything else

1706
00:58:02,950 --> 00:57:59,440
happens

1707
00:58:04,630 --> 00:58:02,960
yeah i i hope not but we're too busy

1708
00:58:06,150 --> 00:58:04,640
so listen just to remind folks that

1709
00:58:08,230 --> 00:58:06,160
coming up this week i've got john

1710
00:58:09,990 --> 00:58:08,240
ramirez back for a listener questions

1711
00:58:12,150 --> 00:58:10,000
show with him because we didn't get too

1712
00:58:16,789 --> 00:58:12,160
many of listener questions last time so

1713
00:58:18,789 --> 00:58:16,799
email those over to ufo uap am gmail.com

1714
00:58:21,030 --> 00:58:18,799
or if you dm me those i can i can take

1715
00:58:22,470 --> 00:58:21,040
them but ideally email with the name of

1716
00:58:23,670 --> 00:58:22,480
the guest and the subject that really

1717
00:58:25,670 --> 00:58:23,680
helps me out

1718
00:58:27,829 --> 00:58:25,680
i'm getting more and more stuff sent

1719
00:58:29,670 --> 00:58:27,839
over which again is fantastic but you

1720
00:58:31,109 --> 00:58:29,680
know it's a gift and a curse because

1721
00:58:32,470 --> 00:58:31,119
stuff's going into my spam and i'm

1722
00:58:35,030 --> 00:58:32,480
missing stuff and all that kind of thing

1723
00:58:36,870 --> 00:58:35,040
as well um then tim mcmillan is joining

1724
00:58:38,630 --> 00:58:36,880
us next friday and that will be out the

1725
00:58:41,190 --> 00:58:38,640
following week but you'll get that early

1726
00:58:42,950 --> 00:58:41,200
access and ad free on patreon or if you

1727
00:58:44,710 --> 00:58:42,960
sign up via apple premium or if you're

1728
00:58:47,990 --> 00:58:44,720
on spotify you have to search for that

1729
00:58:49,670 --> 00:58:48,000
ufo podcast premium remember and also

1730
00:58:52,789 --> 00:58:49,680
we'll be recording before dan goes off

1731
00:58:54,789 --> 00:58:52,799
to columbia tom part 1.5 which is the

1732
00:58:56,870 --> 00:58:54,799
listener section of the tom de long part

1733
00:58:58,710 --> 00:58:56,880
one that's a good idea i like the 1.5

1734
00:59:01,589 --> 00:58:58,720
thing because yeah

1735
00:59:03,829 --> 00:59:01,599
let me just clear up again folks because

1736
00:59:05,910 --> 00:59:03,839
i got a tiny bit of abuse didn't i done

1737
00:59:07,829 --> 00:59:05,920
for people people who thought it was an

1738
00:59:09,589 --> 00:59:07,839
interview with tom delong even though

1739
00:59:11,829 --> 00:59:09,599
the description clearly said it was me

1740
00:59:14,950 --> 00:59:11,839
and your profiling

1741
00:59:16,230 --> 00:59:14,960
and it said profile tom delong um some

1742
00:59:17,750 --> 00:59:16,240
people

1743
00:59:19,430 --> 00:59:17,760
said i i don't mind debbie's folks it

1744
00:59:20,630 --> 00:59:19,440
doesn't bother me but it was funny where

1745
00:59:22,789 --> 00:59:20,640
like a message would go on people who

1746
00:59:24,150 --> 00:59:22,799
still think it's an interview

1747
00:59:25,990 --> 00:59:24,160
did they not think i would have been

1748
00:59:28,470 --> 00:59:26,000
building this up for ages if i was like

1749
00:59:29,829 --> 00:59:28,480
tom delong's coming on the podcast yeah

1750
00:59:32,309 --> 00:59:29,839
yes

1751
00:59:34,230 --> 00:59:32,319
andy did do everything he could to uh to

1752
00:59:35,670 --> 00:59:34,240
make that clear in a lot of different

1753
00:59:37,510 --> 00:59:35,680
ways especially once people started

1754
00:59:40,390 --> 00:59:37,520
asking about it i put it in youtube chat

1755
00:59:41,990 --> 00:59:40,400
and stuff like that so yeah just it's

1756
00:59:43,829 --> 00:59:42,000
we're profiling a bunch of big players

1757
00:59:46,069 --> 00:59:43,839
in uap and they're going to be called

1758
00:59:49,589 --> 00:59:46,079
profile shows tom is the first one and

1759
00:59:51,270 --> 00:59:49,599
we're up to uh where he launched ccsa

1760
00:59:52,950 --> 00:59:51,280
yep and that'll be part two we'll record

1761
00:59:55,030 --> 00:59:52,960
that before dan goes off to colombia so

1762
00:59:57,430 --> 00:59:55,040
that'll be available soon as well um but

1763
00:59:58,710 --> 00:59:57,440
also this week as a special bonus just

1764
01:00:00,390 --> 00:59:58,720
to waste some more of my time i mean

1765
01:00:02,390 --> 01:00:00,400
take up some more of my time dan and

1766
01:00:04,150 --> 01:00:02,400
vinnie are both going to jump on and

1767
01:00:06,230 --> 01:00:04,160
we're going to record a chat about uh

1768
01:00:07,750 --> 01:00:06,240
their trip their preparation for it what

1769
01:00:10,150 --> 01:00:07,760
they're expecting it'll be a really

1770
01:00:12,069 --> 01:00:10,160
casual conversation as well i'm looking

1771
01:00:14,069 --> 01:00:12,079
forward to that um

1772
01:00:16,230 --> 01:00:14,079
we might even do like a youtube live

1773
01:00:18,230 --> 01:00:16,240
with it done potentially yeah why not

1774
01:00:19,750 --> 01:00:18,240
yeah because that'd be fun yeah and then

1775
01:00:22,150 --> 01:00:19,760
we'll release the audio for you anyway

1776
01:00:23,430 --> 01:00:22,160
folks but again just on you know their

1777
01:00:25,349 --> 01:00:23,440
thoughts and feelings before they head

1778
01:00:27,430 --> 01:00:25,359
out to colombia and well there they are

1779
01:00:29,030 --> 01:00:27,440
we'll have some content released as well

1780
01:00:30,630 --> 01:00:29,040
from from dan i've got an idea i've not

1781
01:00:32,470 --> 01:00:30,640
said to him yet but i'm going to i'm

1782
01:00:33,990 --> 01:00:32,480
going to pitch to him after this so nice

1783
01:00:36,150 --> 01:00:34,000
but yeah that's all coming up in the

1784
01:00:37,510 --> 01:00:36,160
next week or so so again if you can and

1785
01:00:41,190 --> 01:00:37,520
you want to support less and early

1786
01:00:42,710 --> 01:00:41,200
access patreon apple premium spotify etc

1787
01:00:44,549 --> 01:00:42,720
at the youtube channel you can sign up

1788
01:00:45,990 --> 01:00:44,559
for early access and add free stuff

1789
01:00:47,589 --> 01:00:46,000
there as well

1790
01:00:49,030 --> 01:00:47,599
or you can just listen to the stuff free

1791
01:00:51,510 --> 01:00:49,040
there's plenty of it comes out pretty

1792
01:00:53,510 --> 01:00:51,520
regular please get in touch all of that

1793
01:00:55,589 --> 01:00:53,520
jazz it's been a bit of a

1794
01:00:57,270 --> 01:00:55,599
busy start to the new year we all

1795
01:00:59,829 --> 01:00:57,280
thought it would be quiet

1796
01:01:01,510 --> 01:00:59,839
here's to next week that is all for this

1797
01:01:03,430 --> 01:01:01,520
week's show thank you very much for

1798
01:01:06,309 --> 01:01:03,440
listening please remember to leave the

1799
01:01:09,030 --> 01:01:06,319
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01:01:11,109 --> 01:01:09,040
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1801
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1803
01:01:17,670 --> 01:01:15,119
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1809
01:01:33,790 --> 01:01:30,720
and again folks as always keep looking

1810
01:01:48,390 --> 01:01:33,800
up you never know what you might see

1811
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:54,789
alice

1812
01:01:54,799 --> 01:02:00,900
i don't think he expected me to see him

1813
01:02:00,910 --> 01:02:16,069
[Music]

1814
01:02:16,079 --> 01:02:32,950
cuz

1815
01:02:36,470 --> 01:02:35,109
and everything was red i helped my boys

1816
01:02:37,910 --> 01:02:36,480
they thought this was noise they thought

1817
01:02:39,970 --> 01:02:37,920
it was a dream they thought it was my

1818
01:02:49,210 --> 01:02:39,980
toys

1819
01:02:49,220 --> 01:02:59,109
[Music]

1820
01:03:09,029 --> 01:03:00,430
and what's that

1821
01:03:41,890 --> 01:03:09,039
[Music]

1822
01:03:48,120 --> 01:03:41,900
it wasn't a tic-tac

1823
01:03:48,130 --> 01:04:02,069
[Music]

1824
01:04:28,150 --> 01:04:03,920
it's very easy